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Kyle Rittenhouse criticized Donald Trump. So conservatives said he's transgender.
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Last time I called Rittenhouse a murderer here, one of his inbred cult wanted to argue. Let's see if that happens again:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer.
Who is Kyle? Did you mean Kyla?
Sorry, I will show myself out.
Edit:
If we can't have a fact based conversation about anything then I don't know what the point is. As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd.
Does every act of self defense automatically classify someone as a murderer?
BTW, for the record I'm a leftie progressive. I'm not a conservative and I hate the Maga crowd. But the events that led to the death of those people that day was due to self defense.
This has been established through clear video footage and a lengthy trial with a jury of his peers.
Anyone who disagrees needs to establish they know the facts of the matter beyond news headlines or Twitter opinions.
The problem with this country today is rampant misinformation.
Can you demonstrate why it wasn't self defense?
I summoned one. Again.
How disappointing.
The user laid out an argument, a reasoning and asked you a question. All you can do is "LA LA LA" doesn't fit my narrative and insult. Hmm reminds me of some people I know. At least tell them why you think what you think other than omg Rittenhouse bad.
And I am on rittenhouse's side on this one. Simply because he has gone up against a jury of his peers and been found innocent. If we stop obeying the rule of law then we are no better than terrorists. Want the law to change? Vote, don't insult your peers
Two.
Could you possibly use your occult powers for good? Pretty please?
This is the "The Civil War was about State's Rights" argument and I need a meme of a duck saying "Why was Rittenhouse there in the first place?"
WHY WAS HE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
Look just because he went there to shoot someone and the shot someone doesn't mean he meant to shoot someone. /s
So you're not a willfully blind idiot for party political reasons. I wonder what convinced you then..
Ah, an ignorant faith in the veracity of doctored or otherwise misleading out of context footage and the integrity of the US legal system 🤦
Dude brought an AR-15 to a word fight. In another state. After telling friends that he wanted to shoot BLM protesters. He then harassed peaceful protesters until some of them tried to stop him. He then murdered the people trying to stop him.
As someone who followed the trial closely, the evidence couldn't be more clear.
But if all you're going to do is handwave it away because of conspiracies that
Then I don't know what to discuss. This rhetoric identical with Maga republicans that claim the election was stolen and Hillary Clinton is harvesting the endocrine glands of children.
If we can't have a fact based conversation about anything then I don't know what the point is. As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd.
That's categorically not what I'm doing.
Fuck off with that horseshoe theory bullshit. You're clearly lying about being a leftist progressive in order to lend your credulity a false veneer of impartiality.
Clearly we can't, but I'm not the one responsible for that.
Big Dean Browning vibes.
So let me get this right: we can't criticize any position that our side takes because that automatically brands us as posers, right? Who else plays this game? Do you see how close to the MAGA crowd we've circled back to? They do the exact same game to anyone that disagrees with their narrative (See RINO).
YOU said the video was doctored or taken out of context. But then you never backed that up.
YOU said the integrity of the judicial system can't be trusted (even though I followed the trial very closely). There is no evidence this case was rigged
It's this odd knee-jerk reaction I see here on Lemmy anyone that disagrees with established narratives is automatically branded:
I MUST brand you as something. I can't engage with someone unless I put a label on them.
Your goal is not to disprove my points or engage with what I've said. It's to silence me by putting a label.
Notice how I never ascribed a label to you. I don't know if you're conservative, tankie, republican, or independent. I didn't call you names. I didn't accuse you of bad faith.
ALL I DID: I brought the facts of the matter and I described how similar your rhetoric is to the way elements of the far right manifest themselves. As a leftie all I want to do is combat misinformation. But just that was enough to get me all the downvotes and labels needed to put me in a box so we don't have to hear about it.
Nope, that's a ridiculous strawman. You're allowed to take any position you want. Just as I'm allowed to have my suspicions when you take positions that make no sense outside of credulity caused by far right gaslighting.
More horseshoe theory bullshit. Even if you WERE right about me (you're not), equating anything I've said with the utterly insane drivel of a literal fascist movement is the kind of thing disingenuous "moderates" and cosplaying Republicans do.
I backed it up by providing the context that the video omits: that he traveled heavily armed across state lines to a peaceful protest in order to shoot protesters, deliberately provoked protesters until some of them tried to stop him and then murdered those protesters.
Those are actual facts that the biased judge ordered stricken from the record because they made it clear that it was all premeditated rather than spur of the moment self defense.
Yeah there is, see above.
Yeah, I tend not to trust a system where a biased judge who has no business presiding over a case can just arbitrarily throw out crucial evidence because it doesn't match his predetermined conclusion and nobody can do anything about it.
I'm kooky like that.
This you?
Not explicitly, no, but your opening comment accused EVERYONE not convinced about his innocence of bad faith, so excuse me if I don't celebrate your magnificently magnanimous restraint 🙄
Nope. You brought your conclusion based on omitting key evidence.
Which, again, is horseshoe theory bullshit. Especially when it's not even CLOSE to true like in this case.
Give it a rest, Dean. Nobody's buying it.
Spreading it is an awfully peculiar way of going about that task..
Nah, you got that for lying and trying to distort reality in order to defend a murderer and then doubling down when corrected.
OJ Simpson also wasn't convicted.
It seems kind of obvious Rittenhouse went looking for a situation he could put himself in so that he could shoot somebody. That's murder if you can prove it, but good luck proving it.
Intent: They drove like over an hour across state lines to Kenosha in hopes of finding somebody to kill then placed himself in harms way by wandering into a group of people.
The goal was always to kill people and thats what makes it murder.
This is the crux. This mens rea was not proven. And the fact that he waited long after he was chased and pinned to the ground before he started firing is critical to this injunction.
People on this board automatically assume that because I'm defending the non guilty verdict I'm automatically absolving Kyle Rittenhouse of all culpability. The kid was an idiot that made some very bad decisions that will likely haunt him the rest of his life. He was 17 and should have known better. He's not completely innocent in my book. I just love how nuanced and wonderfully fact-based Lemmy is when it comes to these charged topics. It's so refreshing.
Regarding victim number one. Bringing a gun to a protest and starting shit then shooting people doesn't constitute self defense because you normally can't provoke the situation you are defending yourself from. Also the only thing that made the situation deadly dangerous was literally the gun in his hand if not for that it would have been a fist fight at worst. More likely absent a weapon to give him courage he just wouldn't have started shit.
Regarding victims 2 and 3 they were trying to stop what they correctly perceived as an active shooter they did not pursue lethal force against him he could have surrendered the gun non-violently. You normally have a legal obligation to use the lease force possible.
The law being what it is guilt or innocence it a fight is often questionable and subject to state specific laws but morally speaking I don't understand why anyone would not hold him responsible for what happened. He is by all accounts a garbage human being and people are dead because he is a garbage human being.
Here is what one of the people who helped him win his legal case said
He's also a moron. He obtained his high school diploma by cheating on online tests and then went to take the ASVAB and managed to score a 10, a typical average score for a high school graduate is 50, the minimum you can get into the military is 30. We are talking about questions like
I don't even know how its possible to score a 10
Real I'm a black gay guy vibes here.
Show us your leftie registration papers please.
Here's the thing: If I don't include that I'm a leftie I spend the whole time defending why i'm not a conservative and never actually discussing the topic.
If I mention that I'm a leftie that disagrees with the main take: I spend the whole time defending why im not a conservative and never discussing the topic.
NO ONE ENGAGES WITH THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DISCUSSION
It's damned if I do damned if don't. This is cult behavior. If you disagree with my position, refute my position or provide an argument. There is no grace or charitability offered. Like, why?
So many people on this platform spend all their energy in labeling but never discussing the actual points.
Huh, so if you don't explicitly inform people that you identify as a leftist, everyone assumes that you aren't because of all of your right-wing positions? That sounds like a you problem...
I hate to break it to you, but if you're frequently encountering situations where you're the only person in the room who thinks you're a leftist, you're not a leftist. You can self-identify all you want, we don't have to believe you. And if other leftists think you aren't an ally, you absolutely don't get to correct the record on that by supporting Kyle Rittenhouse.
Dude's so mad he paraphrased the first sentence in his second sentence.
You're a self-proclaimed leftist who supports a fascist who murdered other leftists at a BLM protest. Everyone is engaging with the substance of your argument quite directly.
Being a debatelord isn't helping with the right-wing accusations here, bud. The Kyle Rittenhouse case is old news. You know the Left's position on him. If being identified as a leftist is so important to you, you're going to have to accept that endorsing the murder of leftists while they protest isn't a narrative that is going to earn you anything ever.
You didn't defend your point at all in this post and are more concerned with people accepting you as a "leftie", so don't get mad that we're only responding to what you're giving us. At this point you're more interested in convincing us that you're a leftist than explaining in real terms why you like Kyle Rittenhouse and support killing BLM protesters in the street.
If you want to focus on the conversation, stop pearl-clutching every time someone tells you that you're wrong. If you want a discussion, stop getting hung up on being disagreed with and state your point like an adult.
Let’s say a person doesn’t like certain other types of people (be it due to race, religion, political views, or whatever), and that person also glorifies violence against those types of people and they glorify gun violence in general.
Let’s also say this person knowingly and willingly (and possibly illegally) puts themselves in harm’s way, while carrying a gun, amongst those same certain types of people.
Then they get into a situation where they have to use “self defense” in order to escape harm from those people. Luckily they had that gun with them!
Was it legally “self defense?” Yes, apparently. Could it be argued that it was also “hunting” disliked group of people, as if for sport? Yes.
Did Rittenhouse successfully use a self defense plea to get away with murder? Some would argue that he did.
By definition, murder is the unjustified killing of a human. This is why homicide is the preferred term, with murder, if it’s mentioned at all, is a particularly egregious form of homicide.
Nope. He sought that conflict out. The verdict aside, the chain of events leading to that conflict lead to him being there, being in that confrontation, and willfully engaging in that confrontation.
Oh lookie here so called "leftist" that's really a right wing troll
If you had asked an NRA-affiliated self defense instructor in 2019 if what Rittenhouse did was self defense, they would have told you unequivocally no.