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Do you believe that Christo-fascism will take over America if Donald Trump is reelected? (midwest.social)
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[-] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't think it will take over, necessarily, but it will likely get a big boost. We'd probably see dozens of new laws favoring Christian religious beliefs at the federal level.

I think the biggest change we'll see is the ruling class getting calcified while more and more rights get stripped away from the working class to make sure we aren't able to challenge anything we don't like.

So... Like it is now, but without any room for hope.

I urge every single American reading this to organize locally. It's not too late yet, but if we sit on our hands, it will be.

[-] Raykin@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago

Both sides are not the same. If you're not voting Biden you are voting for chaos. Full stop.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago

As fun as chaos sounds, I definitely am not voting for that death cheeto they call Trump.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 points 7 months ago

Removed for trolling? Seemed like a pretty appropriate response to me...

[-] Impassionata@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

anyone who doesn't expect a regime of brutal martial law to come out of a Trump administration is fooling themselves.

these people have already shown they don't care about law and order to institute their belief system on the rest of us.

what's going to stop them? congress? they'll kick out the Democrats because law and order mean nothing to them in their pursuit of power at any costs.

a full scale state-by-state civil war is increasingly likely.

[-] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

They won't kick out Dems, he'll accuse them of treason or whatever and have some of them shot. The purge continues until only ppl loyal or those afraid to die pledge loyalty are left.

[-] Impassionata@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

like it's not that hard. The US is not some special case when it comes to nation-states.

When the murder monkey hate spiral gets going, it keeps on murdering and hating.

if you believe otherwise, you are fooling yourself.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

It's already taking over. Arm yourself.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes.

if it hasn't already, that is. Trump will give them anything they want because they give him he everything wants.

[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Trump includes evangelicals in speeches, lets them pray for him, and appoints their judges, but he mocks them in private. He apparently respects the grifters like Osteen, but thinks regular Christians are idiots.

[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

I didn't think it will necessarily "take over," but believe it'll be double the unmitigated clusterfuck it was the first time. The difference is his mission will be to ensure there is not another election that can be held afterwards, from day one. The first time, he was just flummoxed that he got elected for a long time and figuring out how to abuse his power. Now it would be unbridled abuse without a care as to what anyone says.

[-] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, the current group of young voters is predominantly democrat voting, and atheism is growing. This is temporary, once the boomers age out we will likely see a trend towards the left again.

I unironically blame Trump and MAGAism on lead. We still need to hold on for how plastic plays out, but I'm sure lead brain plays a huge role in the modern political climate.

I don't think whoever is in office is somehow playing into what religion people pick. This isn't Saudi Arabia or something either, our government is actually set up in such a way that radical sweeping changes aren't possible. They picked at some of our rights, but it's not like we're on our way to the gulags anytime soon.

And really the issues we're seeing have been prevalent for decades, it's not like Trump has done anything but highlighted the crazies.

I'm not saying there isn't a threat that needs to be taken seriously, and I'm not trying to down play the reality of the situation, but again, we're not on our way to the gulags anytime soon.

[-] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

I agree with 99% of your reply, but this one key part:

our government is actually set up in such a way that radical sweeping changes aren't possible.

The following is from the PDF hosted on the Project 2025 website:

Aggressive Approach to Senate-Confirmed Leadership Positions. While Senate confirmation is a constitutionally necessary requirement for appointing agency leadership, the next Administration may need to take a novel approach to the confirmations process to ensure an adequate and rapid transition. For example, the next Administration arguably should place its nominees for key positions into similar positions as “actings” (for example, putting in a person to serve as the Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Commissioner of CBP while that person is going through the confirmation process to direct ICE or become the Secretary). This approach would both guarantee implementation of the Day One agenda and equip the department for potential emergency situations while still honoring the confirmation requirement. The department should also look to remove lower-level but nevertheless important positions that currently require Senate confirmation from the confirmation requirement, although this effort would require legislation (and might also be mooted in the event of legisla- tion that closes portions of the department that currently have Senate-confirmed leadership).

If you get the right people in the right positions to do enough damage in a short timeframe, it becomes "Shoot first, ask questions later"

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Trump is Putin's puppy/puppet. All Vlad wants is chaos in the West. It's not a matter of the MAGoos taking over; it's about how much trouble they can make.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

This evangelicals can also move the puppet

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago

The difference between Vlad and the Evangelicals is the difference between a con man who takes your entire fortune and a bunch of kids who guilt you into letting them stay up and eat candy.

The Christian right will be happy with book burnings, mass shootings, and hanging abortion providers. Vlad would like to see the US broken up into five or more feuding confederations, ala Brexit

[-] leraje 11 points 8 months ago

Of a sort, yes.

He's not a smart man, but he has a low level of instinctive cunning. I doubt he's christian in the sense that he believes in god but he realises it's a potentially useful tool to manipulate his followers. So yes, the christo side of it will be a useful tool in his armory to help him achieve the fascist bit. That's the bit he's really interested in as it gives him perpetual power which he can then pass down to his chosen one.

[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

They will certainly try.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

They will try.

[-] gila@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

Yes, or alternatively if Biden gets elected, yes

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

How would reelecting Biden achieve that? As in, it being his fault or someone else's?

[-] gila@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It wouldn't make a difference, same like how it doesn't make a difference now. I can only really respond directly to the question by acknowledging how it's framed, but I don't think it's really the right question. I don't think the potential for Christo-fascism to take over is a function of the upcoming presidential election. You think if I put "no, and also no" then I'd have gotten upvotes instead?

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Nobody's talking about the question or what you should've answered--I'm talking about your answer above. I'm asking you, how would electing BIden again lead to a Christofascist state? What's the mechanism?

[-] gila@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I said it wouldn't make a difference. We currently exist in the reality where Biden beat Trump, and it hasn't made a difference to the continued propagation of Christo-fascism, and I'd expect that trend to continue in the short term.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I understand that's what you said but I was looking for more info. So it's not because of Biden like your comment somewhat implies then, because that would raise a lot of questions. I feel like that's the reason you're getting downvoted. Thanks for clarifying

[-] gila@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh, maybe they're deserved then. Biden is currently enabling a genocide in the name of a judeo-christian ethnostate? Well known for being a segregationist? He's less of a Christo-fascist himself than Trump though, somehow. In any case, local elections will be much more important for affecting the propagation of Christo-fascism, at least 'til the boomers are all dead. How many states haven't even voted on abortion yet?

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Yes it must be fought

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

thought Christo-fascism already took over

Catholic Genocidal Silent Joe is president and the last fours years have gotten us more militarized police forces and the fall of Roe v. Wade

people that are not white and married to Jesus are being targeted and forests razed for a cop city training ground

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 21 points 8 months ago

You do understand that Biden had nothing to do with RvW, and the problem is the right-wing Supreme Court? He also has no control over what states and local governments do with their police force or law enforcement.

If you’re going to be angry, be angry at reality. Not some fiction you made up because it’s easier than the truth.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's probably written by AI and just mixing the wrong talking points.

Edit: On further review, it seems he's just an idiot, in the truest sense of the word.

[-] joenforcer@midwest.social 17 points 8 months ago

I'm starting to think more and more that the whole "Genocide Joe" thing is a Russian troll farm running through left-leaning social media to spread doing and suppress votes. They conveniently attack Joe Biden's initial relative silence, ignore the last few weeks including the State of the Union which was very strongly pro-Palestine, and even further ignore Donald "finish the job" Trump's violent anti-Palestine stance which would be actively genocidal.

Don't listen to these maniacs. They're not voters. They're trolls.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They’re worse than trolls, they’re Russian slaves.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

It absolutely is. Meanwhile, im still trying to get Status Quo Joe to take off since 2019. Best part of that name is, its still an insult while being an acknowledgment that just bc hes a neoliberal tool to keep us all wage slaves, doesnt make him a fascist by any stretch. Under Status Quo Joe our civilian rights to effect change in gov't is not under threat. Under Status Quo Joe, foreign adversaries that want nothing more than for the US to be displaced from the worpd hegemony will be opposed, not welcomed.

Also under Status Quo Joe, you will still be underpaid to overperform, not have healthcare, LGBTQ folks will still face discrimination, and the climate will still be out to fuck us all up. But under Status Quo Joe, voicing dissent against any of those points will not be forecfully penalized bc Status Quo Joe does not regularly threaten anyone not pledging unwavering fealty. We will still be able to organize and plan direct action so that our wages/living conditions improve, we will still have a working governance which we can elect ppl who want to give us healthcare into, LGBTQ individuals will be able to exit their homes still looking fabulous bc their existence itself will not be threatened by the single most dangerous entity in the country, and we will still have the benefit of future elections (local and national) existing to mitigate climate change as we continue (for the love of fucking god, please...) to pursue direct action.

The russians are busy trying to make us all forget that our government is "BY the people." Hate it all you want, its made up of the ppl this populace has chosen. And if ur solution to it being ineffective is to burn it to the ground for "lE rEbeLuShuN," i think ur going to find that if u cant sway other ppls votes, ur going to be even less likely to convince them to take up arms against a drone wielding, omnipresent state when theyre more destitute and hungry, and less free of goverment interference in their lives then theyve ever been before.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Just a minor point; the federal government subsidizes a lot of military equipment for local law enforcement.

You know those big heavy armored trucks for swat? Federal money.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

You mean things like the 1033 Program

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

No, I think they'll try though.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

It hasn’t already? Look at the battle against women’s reproductive rights

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Has trump ever even claimed to be Christian?

[-] june@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Yes. He said he was Presbyterian but in 2020 realized his rabid base is evangelical, so he changed it up and said he’s non-denominational.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/23/trump-says-he-now-identifies-as-a-non-denominational-christian/

Though he also doesn’t understand the nature of asking for forgiveness or the possibility that he ‘makes mistakes’ that he needs forgiveness for.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html

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