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[-] Astrealix@lemmy.world 128 points 6 months ago

I read "brutish" as "british" on first glance

[-] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 6 months ago

More often than not that has been the case :)

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Same, and I was like well if the shoe fits...

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

I can't find any differences

[-] SomeBoyo@feddit.de 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Which surprisingly does not change the meaning as much, as one would think it would.

[-] dave@feddit.uk 10 points 6 months ago

If you ever need to check, this site has up to date information. https://arethebritsatitagain.org

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 99 points 6 months ago

This feels dangerously close to some EnlightenedCentrism nonse

[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 64 points 6 months ago

I'm not sure whether the version of this I saw previously was the original and this post was cropped, or if this post is the original and the other text was added later. But I much prefer the context here:

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

Ahh see this I can get behind, reminds me of the Soviet anti alcohol poster that's become a meme too

Good original intent, less good modern applications

The dawn of nationalism was definitely the mistake of the previous age I think. Peoples should be able to self govern autonomously, but not under a guise of "the nation" which inherently forms an out group to be excluded.

I like the Arabic/American way to do it, "You wanna be one of us? Well then you're already half way there!"

I speak very little Arabic but my teacher has told me that I already know enough to get the long list cousin's welcome among most L1 speakers lol.

[-] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago

Yeah i've learned not to trust this kind of simmetrical worldview, even when it makes me feel smart for being above it.

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

What if instead of taking it as saying all things are symmetrical we take it to mean that we have a tendency to consider outsiders to be "savage" or simply "other" even when the evidence doesn't support that? Then this shitpost would be more like a warning against xenophobia.

You chose an interpretation you didn't like just so you could dismiss it. And you don't think your goal in doing so is to feel intellectually superior? You're another.

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[-] Abucketofpuppies@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Hmmm it's almost as if politics and ethics are very nuanced and one answer is never correct in every situation..

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 24 points 6 months ago

One side thinks the answer is "do fascism", so I think it may be fair to conclude that one of the proposed answers is at least wrong in every situation.

[-] Abucketofpuppies@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Yes, every right-wing politician is pushing for 'do fascism'

Probably like they did your mom last night. BOOM GOTCHA

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago
[-] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Until the third paragraph, it sounded like something you might think was reasonable for lefties to do. Then I got to the bits about cutting regulations to promote fossil fuels and, according to an "anonymous source" (which I frankly don't trust because it's from a biased newspaper,) weaponizing the DOJ and national guard against critics.

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[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

One faction has a messiah fixation, thumps a Bible they've never even read (they just let some pastor tell them what's in it), obsesses over guns and other peoples' private (by which I mean sexual) lives and reproductive organs. They've been told and so believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was about the sex, but it was about righteousness and hospitality - and these are two things that they themselves lack completely.

There is a real problem, a real danger, because it fits historical patterns we've seen before - the so-called "ideas" that they spout with the language that they use - and they end up mindlessly, senselessly bringing EVERYBODY down with them.

They are a menace to all of us. Including themselves, but they don't see it. And neither does the "both sides" argument, a lazy excuse for not acknowledging that the proverbial emperor has no clothes.

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[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago
[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 36 points 6 months ago

It is quite literally implying "both sides actually same!"

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[-] FatTony@lemm.ee 69 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I feel like the artist originally wanted to make this primarily medieval themed. But then realisied "Oh yeah, news and stuff are a thing." And then just added laptops and antennas.

[-] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

It’s been added on to. The original didn’t have the radio towers or “time out” area

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago

Someone shared a different version that doesn't have those newer stuff. That might've been the original.

https://lemmy.ca/comment/7948433

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[-] Rubanski@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

The font is slightly different as well

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago

Are there disinformation campaigns from the EU targeting the russian population?

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

No but englightened centralism means facts don't matter.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I see this as more anti-nationalism than any kind of centrism.

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[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

I bet there are, just a matter of scale and effectiveness.

There's an organization that sneaks usb drives to North Korea. Full of news, shows, articles etc all hand picked by former NK citizens that defected

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

But is it disinformation?

Spreading information is not the same as spreading lies.

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm sure it's not all 100% objective truth. Nobody wants to talk shit about themselves willingly. But yeah just sayin.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean, a whole heck of a lot of the US is perfectly willing to talk shit about the US. We just get annoyed if people outside the US that aren't Nordic start talking shit about the US. The Swiss can shut up, or put up. Same for India.

That being said, you're probably correct that it isn't objective, as I seriously doubt that they are sending solely documentaries and AP sources.

Edit: Congratulations to The Swiss for their stance on Ukraine.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 6 months ago

If there isn't, they need to step up their shit.

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[-] Rakudjo@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago
[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago

I think about this whenever I see legislative efforts to "prevent disinformation" XD

I hate disinformation as much as the next guy, but we gotta be careful who we give charte blanche to censor information XD

[-] goldenbough@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

PURPLE GOOD YELLOW BAD 😤😤

[-] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 14 points 6 months ago

Typical sense of entitlement from a purple, they're all the same, that primitive purple brain can't comprehend other light waves exist.

[-] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago

More moronic both sides shit?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Class: Say the line, Bart!

Bart: This is whataboutism

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 19 points 6 months ago

Except that,

  • Our objective news - is really just a mess of different slants, some being propaganda, that are not censured even when their content approaches slander due to heavy political bias.

  • Our combating disinformation - is largely unexisting to the point that several large social media providers have abolished or acted against the control they had for doing so and that their CEOs shamelessly meet with presidential candidates with ties to them.

  • Our glorious leader - is hardly accepted as a glorious leader and the portion of the society that does also tend to have absolutely no qualms about becoming more authoritarian by their own admission.

  • Our great religion - is criticized within the country and an increasing number of people are becoming atheists.

  • Our noble populace - Our heroic adventures - Ok, who is writing this meme? Who thinks their society thinks this way? Half the other populace disagrees with the other half, even going so far as to be described as hate, and any mythos of heroic is easily dismissed the moment it becomes convenient to do so not to mention the amount of criticism armed forces get.

This is whataboutism 101. Not all sides are completely black and white, but not all sides are equally grey.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 6 months ago

I don't think this comic was about you or your country. It's about how nationalists frame things in their own vs. other countries.

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[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

The whole point is that the two nations are the same, but some of the population doesn't see it that way. Of course our news is filled with propaganda, that's what this meme is saying. Of course our troops are carrying out the whims of a despot. But blind nationalism paints these as the right and true path.

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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

nice job writing an essay on completely missing the point

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's worth pointing out that the two opposing countries / nations / city states in this cartoon would have to have similar governments with similar charters, and similar selection processes for their representatives.

It is lunacy to say things like "Obummer was a dictator!" when he was selected twice by people voting, and then peaceably left the office after his two terms completely in line with the Constitution.

Now can you say the same thing about, for instance, Putin?

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[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

What I get from this image is that one side will call the other side evil while the other side will do the same

It's best to look at the actions of a person or group rather than what they state they are doing

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 10 points 6 months ago

Nation-states were a bad idea

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[-] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

There is a reason the Geneva Convention (and the Hague protocols before it) prohibit assassination. That reason is that the Glorious Leader and the Wicked Despot have more in common with each other than they do with us peons. Don't anyone get too excited during our "war" (population reduction, economic stimulus package, domestic troubles distraction). Invest in defense contractors, the elite will keep them fed.

Remember the average dude in China, Iran, Russia, etc is no more interested in dying to aggrandize his rich owners than you are.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Remember the average dude in China, Iran, Russia, etc is no more interested in dying to aggrandize his rich owners than you are.

True, and you also have to remember that many of them have it ingrained in their culture to hate enough to kill gays, other religious people, races, etc.

Despite how much people love to say one culture isn't better than any other... There absolutely are if you're looking through a lens of equality. Particularly if you've grown up in a more westernized nation where non-perfect progress has been made on those points.

Let's just hope the west doesn't continue turning into Yallqaeda and all the lost Fascists suddenly earn a Herman Cain award.

[-] bfaliszek@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Make Purple Great Again!

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

It is divide and conquer vs. unite and rule. You don't rule over people about to go at each other.

Whatever this things reeks of both sideism. Which is another way to feel superior without learning.

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