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[-] ravheim@lemmy.world 118 points 8 months ago

21 day old account. Most posts are about not voting in the election to support Palestine. While what's happening in Gaza is genocide, this account smells like a Russian shill trying to spread FUD in the form of memes. The key part of diplomacy is not running around telling everyone what's being discussed in private. We shouldn't hear about potential deals until they are decided on. If Trump wins, he'll do the same thing Israel is currently doing to eliminate Hamas - which is to go through the Palestinian people.

[-] anarchost@lemm.ee 31 points 8 months ago

After you wrote this comment, OP made a concern troll post on the Men's Liberation community.

You were totally on point about the FUD thing.

[-] ravheim@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Yeah... I'm only surprised that they shifted tactics so quickly. Fear, Unrest, and Doubt are the key tactics in Russian Disinfo campaigns. There's an old axiom: If someone is trying to make you feel strongly about something, then they are trying to sell you something. In this case, OP Is trying to piss people off in order to convince them of propaganda and Russian talking points.

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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 8 months ago

it says don't JUST vote. that means vote and then do more. your accusation of shilling is disgusting.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago

Calling others shill is like the go-to accusation these days

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[-] Crow_Thief@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Do you really expect the people who call everybody they disagree with a shill to be able to read?

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[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

If Biden listens more then does popular things, the effect won't be in Putin's interest. Just saying.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Biden needs to pull voters from Trump.

There are two types of Democrat voters today. Those who will suck it up and vote for him because he's not trump, and those who will find some excuse to not vote for him because he's not perfect. If he does the right thing for Palestine, they'll complain it wasn't fast enough, or they'll complain about his stance on marijuana, or on the environment, or on some other random thing.

[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

"Not perfect" uhh that's incredibly hyperbolic. A piece of cheese could do just as well as Biden has as president. He's appealed to the right and the banks far more than to the left at a time when issues like those you mentioned desperately need to be addressed ASAP. He's made little strides in the right direction but if you look deeply into any of his policies they're more posturing than anything. I've said it here before but in a reasonable world he'd be running as a Republican. The left can and should disown him given his history, connections and actions.

[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You are misunderstanding online discussions. Critiques of Biden's stances on issues like marijuana, comes from a place of trying to help Biden win. Only trolls would claim they stopped voting for Democrats because they didn't legalize weed. "As a gay black man" type posters.

Genocide is different. Blaming progressive voters because they refuse to arm a genocide is a twisted thing to do. And people online need to realize how they are only making things worse with this genocide complicity.

[-] anarchost@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Critiques of Biden's stances... comes from a place of trying to help Biden win.

I really wish this was true, it feels like every time I try to be charitable I end up getting burned.

And heaven knows Biden needs to be criticized, because even a ton of Democrats are getting righteously pissed off at him. If we have another 2016 situation, I think the backlash to him would be more justified than the backlash to Hillary Clinton's pathetic campaigning, at least before we all got annihilated by a nuclear bomb or executed by a gang of blackshirts sent out by Trump's executive order 66.

Especially because it was implicit that Biden would step down and did not pursue a second term, gracefully abdicating the position to somebody, almost anybody else.

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[-] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

He's buddies with Netanyahu and IIUC moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago

I voted Uncommitted, if not voting for a genocider is really gonna get Trump elected maybe Biden should start listening to someone other than the demonic Beau Biden lookalikes running around the oval office.

[-] Soulg@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

I'm glad you voted your heart in the primary. But I also really hope you are smart enough to vote him in the general.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

That really depends on if the Democrats are actually ride or die on this whole genocide thing.

[-] anarchost@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago

Democrats are more likely to waver on the Palestinian genocide then the Republicans. But even assuming that they have the exact same positions, Republicans still have measurably worse positions on pretty much everything else.

I enjoy enough privilege to not be troubled by Republican policies, but many of my comrades do not enjoy that same privilege. I vote on their behalf too.

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[-] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

[-] anarchost@lemm.ee 20 points 8 months ago

Your post history is 100% "Democrats bad," so if anything, this post is an exception and not the rule. I can ignore the bit about Russia and their point stands even stronger.

[-] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago

I simply reply to the sentiment I see on this platform. If it was pro-Trump I would critique that.

[-] anarchost@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago

Then either you aren't looking, or you just don't want to see.

[-] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago

Can you give me an example of a pro-Trump post that was recently in top? i see a couple right now against Trump.

[-] anarchost@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I reject this goalpost shift.

I was responding to "the sentiment I see on this platform" because I don't have to look far to see people engaging in bothsides-ist rhetoric. That shit always favors the worse side.

For example: Here's somebody who believes America should have remained neutral in World War II.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

lol in what world is that 'top', it's a heavily downvoted thread inside a centrist cj post

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

If Trump wins, he’ll do the same thing Israel is currently doing to eliminate Hamas - which is to go through the Palestinian people.

You mean... the same thing that is happening right now under a Dem regime?

Say it isn't so!

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

He'll also take your right to vote away forever... So I mean it won't matter anymore...

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[-] Crow_Thief@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

God forbid somebody care about something on the internet! Dont they know its uncool to give a shit about anything?

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 81 points 8 months ago

I don't get this meme.

Do both, vote for the lesser evil and demand change by protesting. Those are not mutually exclusive concepts. You are definitely not going to get change by not voting, all you are doing is allowing the more evil to win and prevent you from protesting ever again.

[-] xor@infosec.pub 18 points 8 months ago

well it's don't just vote for the lesser of two evils...
but i don't remember anyone saying biden was the only thing needed to stop the arming of israel...

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[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Except that the lesser evil takes your vote as explicit support of everything they're doing, and will claim it as a clear mandate, we'd like to stop but our hands are tied the voters wanted this.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

… and how?

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