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lesser of two evils
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I reject this goalpost shift.
I was responding to "the sentiment I see on this platform" because I don't have to look far to see people engaging in bothsides-ist rhetoric. That shit always favors the worse side.
For example: Here's somebody who believes America should have remained neutral in World War II.
lol in what world is that 'top', it's a heavily downvoted thread inside a centrist cj post
@olivebranch@lemmy.ca also shifted the goalposts from "sentiment" to "top posts." I was clarifying what I said before the goalpost shift.
I'm not a native speaker so bear with me, but from what I saw, they said "I simply reply to the sentiment I see on this platform, if it was pro-trump I would critique that"
ie: If I'm online and replying to things it's going to be the most common sentiment- which from my own personal experience it's not pro-Trump.
From my reading you were the one trying to twist that meaning from "majority sentiment is pro-democrats" to "there are no reactionaries on this platform"
There's plenty of both-sidesing on this platform, though. Plenty of tankies too. I find it suspicious somebody only sees Biden-or-bust, and has only ever argued against them.
Suspicious as in people who don't like the democrats must have some hidden agenda? Could you explain that for me?
I already explained to myself here, and directly to you here.
Maybe we could talk about something else, instead. You are a woman, you don't speak English as a first language. We haven't talked about that. I'm interested: for both of those demographics, who is a better presidential choice, Trump or Biden?
Are you familiar with "being lead along the garden path"? It means to take a path of least resistance which is ultimately bad for you. Sometimes you need to look at where you're going rather than only what's immediately in front of you.
Trump is tapping into the worst parts of christofascism, and it's going to take a lot of work to undo that, and I'm sorry but the Democrats are not credible when it comes to that. Rather than confront these people directly we get the Democrats trying to weasel their way through some third way that involves doing everything they want on the border and a lot more genocide than most normal people are comfortable with.
Materially I'm worse off now than I was under Trump, and there's a lot more dead people. Trying to ignore those two things and have powerless people make some binary mental choice (it's not like the popular vote picks the president) or be "bad" is childish. There are people with real power who are refusing to use it to protect our rights! Why are you so bent out of shape that people with no power have a negative opinion online?
You missed the part where I asked whether you endorse Trump or Biden. Neither isn't an option. You aren't getting a USA without a president.
I am not voting for either, it's not an endorsement of either one. that's just how it is.
I'd rather it be Biden, but I'm not voting for him.
Maybe you can answer why you care so much about policing wrongthink from otherwise powerless people on a heavily pro-democrat website. Your guy's in power and he's doing terrible things with it.
Kind of bad you want something but won't move to accomplish a goal that is beneficial not only for you, but also for people with the same minority status as you.
Kind of bad of you to be trying to guilt people into voting for the genocide guy on the basis of their marginalized status, that or it's like you're making a threat.
Fuck off. You're not being persecuted by Lemmy comments. Actual persecution would involve what Donald Trump wants to do to multiple minorities.
You're just intentionally misinterpreting what I'm saying. You are trying to browbeat me into voting for a genocide, with the threat of what the 'bad cop' will do. I've been trying to communicate why I (and many others) have an issue with Biden, and you're incapable of registering that.
Makes me sick tbh
Your comment history is public. You're pushing your agenda on other people too.
You already told me Joe Biden would be the best president. If you don't vote accordingly, then you're a hypocrite, and you can no longer pretend to be the pure leftist you are trying to be.
And if we all get sent to the gas chambers, your purity isn't going to do anything for you.
You can save your offense for the genuinely evil people, rather than a fellow leftist trying to make the world better for everyone, including people like you who are content with consuming apathy... Exactly how the fascists want you to be.
Voting is not stopping anyone from the gas chambers, the fact that we can't even get the 'lesser evil' to stop contributing to this genocide should make that clear.
I'm not convinced you're a "leftist"
Let's address that first set of scare quotes. Have you changed your opinion about Joe Biden since you last told me he was the better choice for president, or are you simply dropping a mask?
What is stopping people from the gas chambers, pray tell? Is it you? Given a Weimar vote, would you say Hitler was no more evil than any other option?
If the lesson you took from that was that everyone should vote for Hindenburg then you definitely missed something.
It takes people with guns to stop fascists.
I believed Biden was the lesser evil 4 years ago, I'm amused by the title now.
Okay, so were you lying earlier, or are you lying now? Because you can't hold two contradictory opinions.
If you believe Trump is a fascist, and you believe Biden is as bad as Trump, you are sitting on your butt LARPing about armed revolution.
How deep does the hypocrisy go?
I don't think Biden is less evil than Trump, but I would rather have him win because the token social shit he does makes life slightly more bearable.
That's why it's funny to call him the "lesser" evil, they're both comically evil old pieces of shit, but this one's more willing toss me some token 'rights' while he carries out his genocides of my brothers and sisters abroad. Maybe you can live with that, but I'm not alone in finding that deeply uncomfortable.
I don't think I would feel comfortable organizing with a 'leftist' like you, frankly. I prefer serious people.
"Organizing"? Oh goody! What are you organizing to do?
You just named one policy where Biden is clearly better than Trump, so you are lying when you say you think they are the same. But if you want to keep up the lie, please tell me how they are the exact same on... I don't know, how about civil rights. Tell me the same thing you would tell a black person about why they should withhold their vote for Joe Biden in hopes that Project 2025 affects them personally.
Sell me on the apathy that fascists want you to have, and you want others to have.
I'm not voting for Biden because I don't value my own rights over the rights of Palestinians. I really don't consider them to be worth sacrificing for my own safety. I am not interested in voting for people who would threaten me with "what the other guy will do". If you can't see how that makes you no different than them then I have nothing further to say to you.
I would rather walk away from fucking Omelas at this point. I never thought I would see people claiming to be 'on the left' trying to tell me to ignore the genocide and vote for the perpetrators. The fact that it's being treated as something which can be safely ignored electorally is sickening. I'm sure the other guy is worse, but I'm not going to be complicit in this either way.
I really don't understand what you think you're gaining by accusing me of lying.
The election isn't all about you, you narcissist.
You specifically acknowledged Biden would be better for all women and all poor immigrants. By advocating for Trump, you advocate to make their lives worse. And for what? Palestinians gain nothing. They won't sing praises of your purity in their death.
Say potato, I'm not convinced you're human anymore.
I'm not advocating Trump, and you're way too comfortable threatening women with violence and that's weird. I'm not voting for the genocide
Honestly just sickening rhetoric from a 'leftist', blue maga is a fucking cult
You are explaining why you are too pure to touch the lever in the traditional trolley problem.
Copying TERFs with fake outrage and liberal idpol.
Says the Red MAGA Larper who has stopped (and will stop) fewer fascists than a disabled 10 year old
say potato
Do I have to post a picture of my fucking bottle of estradiol?
I really don't understand what you think you're gaining by accusing me of not being who I say I am. Does it help you feel better about ignoring my opinion?
Calm down Blaire
You're just so far into the team sports that you can't even process dissent, I'm not voting for either of them.
May I refer you back to the trolley problem, which apparently slipped out of your smooth brain like butter off a baked potato
I would simply flip the trolley switch while the trolly is passing over the interchange, causing a derailment.
No you wouldn't. You had four years, you haven't done a thing.
You literally don't know me! I'm certainly not telling a little Eichmann like you what I get up to.
Republicans are creating project 2025 and you're willing to throw every other minority under the bus in order to tacitly accept it. You could have saved all your online LARPing energy for something valuable, like voting. Or even going to a soup kitchen.
You're back to threatening me with what the other guys gonna do again.
If they're really that dangerous then maybe the Democrats should stop alienating everyone that is not already cultishly devoted to them.
"If Republicans are really that dangerous..."
There it is!
I don't understand what you mean. If this is a real threat,( which is what I believe it is) then why are Democrats so unreachable about the actual things they're doing which are contributing to it?
Losing the election because they alienate everyone to the left of Biden is not a 'me' problem, it's the party which is responsible.
its not a goalpost shift, you claimed they werent seeing pro trump posts, and they asked for evidence. It is a fact that the platform as a whole is extremely anti trump.