Ah yes Tucker Carlson, famous liberal
I assumed the meme referred to all the interviews being done at CPAC right now.
Taylor Lorenz did a very big disservice to herself by interviewing the LibsOfTikTok lady.
There was no inter, only a view.
Ideologically speaking, in the broad senses of "socialism, liberalism, and fascism," yes, Tucker pretends to be a liberal. That is what American conservativism should be conserving, as that's what the American Experiment is, liberalism.
I don't understand the memes connection between liberals and fascism.
Yelling at other lefties for not being left enough is a long and proud tradition.
The difference between liberals and the left is the stance on capitalism. Liberals believe they can make capitalism work, leftists insist we must move beyond it. The people obfuscating liberal and leftist are the people who want the discussion of moving past capitalism to stop. Don't help them.
So that's it, is it? I can support all the social progressiveness I like, but as soon as I balk at the prospect of an autocrat hosting a violent revolution and instating communism, I'm the enemy?
Here is the definition I run on: Anyone left of centre is left. Anyone reaching for the guillotines (or more likely just meming about them from a basement) is far left. So far left that they will never see power and see everyone right of them as an enemy.
You've chosen a definition thats dependent on where you percieve 'center' to be. Its a variable point therefore to you that word doesn't have a fixed meaning. A European centerist is an American left leaner, a decade ago the american 'left' was talking about UBI and medicade for all, now they're talking about fixing bridges that are about to fall down. You're either blind to the overton window shifting or happy that things like infrastructure upkeep is now considered 'leftism' but despite your best efforts, words still have meaning. You're one of the people trying to obfuscate those meanings.
You don't get to gatekeep leftism behind communism.
Nice buzzword, but it's not me gatekeeping anything. Thats what leftism has meant since the phrase neoliberalism has existed. Im not the one who made the definition, you're just ignoring it.
Words mean what people think they mean. "Decimate" means to remove 10% of something but everyone uses it as a synonym for annihilate. You need to understand that the vast majority of people see "liberals" and "leftists" as the same thing. Your conspiracy about obfuscation is cute but you're giving people too much credit.
I'm not trying to be rude but you're embarrassing yourself. Please educate yourself of political theory, philosophy and terminology before you start speaking on words and concepts that you clearly don't understand. Here's a good place to start. He makes great political theory videos. Here's a playlist geared specifically towards liberalism. Here's something on anti-fascism. All of those resources aren't the end-all-be-all of politics but they're at least a good place to start and you'll be better off for it. Have a good one
Liberals aren't lefties.
Thank you for demonstrating my point without the slightest hint of irony.
Did you step out of a time machine from the 18th century? Liberals now represent conservative forces.
Have you lot just rebadged Libertarians?
Libertarians arent liberals unless you compare them to really ancient ones, they have hangups about the role of the state in preserving capitalism which leaves them laughing stock.
OK, I agree that libertarians are not liberals. They are mostly conservatives who don't want to pay tax.
I'm still not following on why you don't think Liberals are Left wing.
So not what most people think of as "liberals" then.
Neoliberals are to liberals what National Socialists are to Socialists.
Take it back to the dictionary definition.
Liberal (noun)
- a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
- a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Going by the first definition, that's left. Even going by that second definition, I see three left policies and a right. That's essentially a lefty being not left enough.
Case #363784589 of the most common feature of a liberal being not knowing what liberalism is.
It's not really your fault, it's entirely by design from the kind of people who hate both liberals and socialists.
That Free Enterprise nullifies everything preceding it. Capitalism is incompatible with any meaningful democracy, liberty, or rights.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.
Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.”
Thank you for demonstrating my point without the slightest hint of irony.
Do you really not understand that there's a conceptual distinction there at all? You started out by saying it's a proud leftist tradition to call out other lefties for not being left enough. Which, honestly, fair enough.
But you think even the very idea of a conceptual distinction between liberals and leftists is an example of that? That's fucking nuts, and it's not the nuanced point you think it is.
Maybe like in Sweden, where the liberals went from calling themselves proud of being called the enemies of fascism, saying they will hide refugees if made illegal, to just straight up calling it "liberal politics actually", and are now collaborating with them to form a government. Crazy how that happens every time.
Nobody but tankies understand that.
In Tolkien stories, all the good guys are liberals. Saruman and his uruk-hai are perhaps the most leftist things there are in those stories. Elves are moderate conservatives with some questionable histories.
In Tolkien stories, all the good guys are liberals. Saruman and his uruk-hai are perhaps the most leftist things there are in those stories.
Welp, that's simultaneously the most "Enlightened Centrist" thing and the most batshit crazy dumb as a rock thing I've read in 2024 so far!
Donald Trump himself has less stupid takes than that!
Saruman and his uruk-hai are perhaps the most leftist things there are in those stories.
What? How so?
Well obviously because when Pippin was sick, the orcs gave him free medicine
/s
Because I don't like leftists, probably :)
No but seriously, I was thinking of the tankie type there, not all leftists. And wrote lazily. Sorry.
Does Hobbiton have any sort of government that I’m forgetting about or otherwise unaware of? I’ve always thought of it as an anarchists paradise
“The Shire at this time had hardly any ‘government.’ Families for the most part managed their own affairs. ... The Thain was the master of the Shire-moot, and captain of the Shire-muster and the Hobbitry-in-arms, but as a muster and moot were only held in times of emergency, which no longer occurred, the Thainship had ceased to be more than a nominal dignity.”
Sounds like night-watch libertarianism that had declined to something even more minimal. Which ironically was easily run over by a smooth-talking old man with a broken staff and a pretty small bunch of ruffians. You had one job.
Lol, saruman was more or less a theocratic monarchist with highly authoritarian practices like killing any who opposed his will. He literally used magic to dominate the wills of others. If anyone was leftist in that series it was the Hobbits. They were outright Communist with no government. Though there was certainly still a class structure of sorts there. It's just tough to get a better look at Hobbit social politics. The books tend to just say "then they talked about their family history for 3 more hours" whenever it comes up.
Regardless, the stated intent of the story was to relay his experiences with war. Not with any political system. The forces of sauron and saruman just represented war itself. The feeling of its inevitable March towards you no matter how much you don't want it and dread it. It's very much how I've been feeling lately.
Hobbits had a government and a class system. In Tolkien it's divine monarchies all the way down, some are just God willed and others are... Technically also God willed, because the good guys need bad guys to stab, I guess.
In Tolkien stories, all the good guys are liberals. Saruman and his uruk-hai are perhaps the most leftist things there are in those stories. Elves are moderate conservatives with some questionable histories.
I hope everyone here appreciates what a special moment this is. This has potential to be the most downvoted comment on Lemmy.
...not wrong. Except remember that an idea cannot be genuinely destroyed, since it's not an actual physical thing. Even if you did somehow manage to destroy it in the present day, nothing prevents people from creatively coming up with it again.
Netanyahu wants to learn this the hard way.
Find another way that doesn't involve death, destruction and ill-fated attempts at control.
A platitude. The fascists are already trying to kill us, we need to fight back. Both sides are not the same.
Not a platitude, a harsh and brutal reality. Though I do agree that it is time to fight fascism. Just don't think you can actually destroy it by fighting like this is all some fictional story with a happily-ever-after. Real life doesn't work that way, only fiction.
Real life needs more difficult and complicated fixes.
Netanyahu wants to learn this the hard way.
Netanyahu knows. It's how that corrupt bastard stays in power and out of prison.
As a left handed person I don't know why people hate us so much, what is wrong for using left hand as main?
Take your goofy scissors and get the fuck out!
You mean the Sinister hand? Highly suspicious. Why not use the Dexterous hand? Surely that would work better for manual tasks.
"10 degrees to the left in good times, 10 degrees to the right when it affects them personally."
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