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Utah House committee approves Ten Commandments bill despite constitutional concerns (www.ksl.com)

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A Utah lawmaker is no longer pushing for public schools to display a copy of the Ten Commandments but wants to add other biblical precepts and the Magna Carta to the curriculum.

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[-] IdiosyncraticIdiot@sh.itjust.works 60 points 7 months ago

Utah teens (grade 9-12) are already often forced (by parents) into taking a full class period for Mormon learning (called Seminary). Students have to leave the school campus to go to a Mormon church owned building, often right next door, for the class as it is not permitted to be taught on campus (for obvious reasons).

The main reason for this is some countries require formal religious "training" before allowing someone to prosthelytize, so the Mormons start early to ensure kids can go on their "mission" at the fresh age of 18.

Not surprised to see them trying to slowly push stuff into the regular classroom, smhmh.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 7 months ago

Well, that's it. I hopped on Lemmy to pass some free time but I'm opting out and going to play video games or something. Lunacy in Utah, West Virginia, and Alabama. It's one too many articles about the religious nutbags trampling our rights in their quest to bring about a theocratic state. See you all tomorrow.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

but wants to add other biblical precepts

So the Ten Commandments is not enough for them?

[-] WHARRGARBL@kbin.social 21 points 7 months ago

I just read HB 269.

There’s a big list of hallelujah shit for Utah schools. IN GOD WE TRUST must be displayed prominently. Selecting excerpts (cherry picking for god) from the Magna Carta, the Ten Commandments, the Mayflower Compact, the pledge of allegiance, etc and displaying or distributing copies of these excerpts in public schools is an acceptable part of the curriculum. This indoctrination shall not be censored due to religious or cultural beliefs.

To answer your question, no, the 10 C’s is just a tiny piece of the dismantling of free thought. The “non-profit” church now demands to have carte blanche influence on all kids in public schools.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Horrific. Just horrific. Thanks for looking it up.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 23 points 7 months ago

Jokes on them. They pray to Jesus, call him the son of god and make pictures depicting both Jesus and god as white men. This is all against the first three commandments.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I know you don't care but Jesus is a facet of God, a triune entity. I could go on but it really isn't worth it to waste effort arguing theistic concepts with atheists. Might as well try and get dry aging tips from a vegan.

But yeah, graven images is still right out.

And Jesus was certainly not a white man.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

You are right. I don't care about some comic book without pictures that's 2000 years old.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

How sad for you, it's got some pretty good stories.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Oh, I've read them. Some Jesus parables are good. Comparable to some advice Gandalf has given to the hobbits.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Which isn't surprising considering Tolkien was a devout Christian.

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[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm muslim. Allah (swt) explicitly rejects the trinity, clarifies that He is beyond having a son as He is the creator of everything but confirms the virgin pregnancy of Mary in the Quran. All prophets were messengers who passed the revelation among their people, but they were nothing but humans. Humans who deserve the highest respect, but must not be worshipped or likened to god.

I also listened to an interview with a catholic theology professor before converting (i was agnostic at the time), where he explains how these concepts came hundreds of years after Jesuses (pbh) prophethood and they mostly came for making christianity easier to approach to pagans.

It is also not my intend to mock christians as a whole, but those who clearly abuse the message of Jesus and agressively push their religion while understanding little of it.

I am sorry you got downvoted. i am also not a fan of the know-it-all "checkmate" atheists on platforms like reddit or lemmy and wasnt before converting.

[-] Arcity@feddit.nl 7 points 7 months ago

Says the know-it-all convert.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago

I'm not telling anyone to believe or not believe anything. I just wanted to point out the hypocricsy in those that want to plaster biblical verses over public schools.

[-] Arcity@feddit.nl 6 points 7 months ago

Nah, you pointed to everyone that worships jesus and the ten commandments. Don't act like you are not hypocritical for criticizing another religion but not your own.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 7 months ago

I'm sorry, that i worded it poorly then. I only meant to critise those that demand the ten commandments or any other biblical text to be plastered over public schools.

[-] Arcity@feddit.nl 2 points 7 months ago

Only biblical text?

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 7 months ago

Was there any other texts demanded to be put up by the Utah House?

[-] Arcity@feddit.nl 2 points 7 months ago

You're the one bringing up another religion.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 7 months ago

And did i say anywhere that its texts should cover the walls of public schools? Of course i didn't. Also abrahamic religions have many overlaps so contextualising them with each other is a good way to gain a deeper understanding. Given the importance of religion it is always good to learn about them, even if one doesn't share the faith.

[-] Arcity@feddit.nl 2 points 7 months ago

Why shouldn't religious texts be covering the walls of schools?

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 7 months ago

Because public schools are a place for all children to be educated.

As children from every faith, ethnicity or cultural group should have equal access to education public schools should be an environment, where all children feel safe and comfortable. That requires a neutrality that cannot be achieved if there is symbols of one religion plastered all over the place, in the same way it cannot be achieved if the children are demanded or pressured to pledge allegiance to a nation state and its flag every day.

This is not to say that children shouldn't be encouraged to talk about these aspects of their identity in a respectful manners. Also the school should do its best to respect practising childrens rights.

[-] Arcity@feddit.nl 1 points 7 months ago

How is this an argument against religious text on the wall. If anything this reads as an reason to display text of all religions.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 points 7 months ago

Because you end up with tens of thousands of pages of text to display and yet not being able to fairly represent every religion.

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[-] itsnotits@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Joke's* on them

(Short for "The joke is on them".)

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Didn't Arkansas or Mississippi already get told that they couldn't make the ten commandments government supported. There was some Court house somewhere

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Alabama

[-] ferralcat@monyet.cc 3 points 7 months ago

There's no downside to just ignoring the supreme court if you want to. They e bitten off any teeth theyight have had.

[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Glad I don't live in america

[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago

Wish I didn't......

[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

I hope you are able to find a way to get out if you can because I don't like how things are looking in the united states

[-] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Eh, its fine, there's 50 states to choose from, moving between them is super easy. There's only a handful you really want to avoid the rest of them are pretty chill.

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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Is there some kind of refugee status for people trying to get out of the state? Asking for a friend. Namely, myself.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 7 points 7 months ago

Let me know if you find anything out - enby Furry in Texas.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Wait add the Magna Carta to the curriculum? Is that not already in the curriculum? It's kind of important.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It’s not really that important outside of understanding what it is and the history. It’s not like our constitution, it’s just a set of laws most of which aren’t in place anymore

[-] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago

I think it was mentioned in history class when I was in school, but the actual text wasn't there.

[-] Tukma@lemmy.cafe 12 points 7 months ago

A new theocratic state, just what we need in the world... right?

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 points 7 months ago

ISIL has been quiet for a while. Maybe this is their latest joint.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

I’m so happy I live in a super blue state and don’t have to worry about any of this nonsense.

[-] optissima@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Yet.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Well, if Trump gets elected that’s a different story. The handmaids tale.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 11 points 7 months ago

Utah teenagers really need to know the rights granted by King John to 25 wealthy barons (later revoked) in Medieval England, for some reason.

[-] sickday@kbin.social 10 points 7 months ago

Yeah, this is something I'd expect to see on Moral Orel.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 9 points 7 months ago

Time for the better Temple to bring some school dispays!

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

i wish i could inject the satanic temple into various situations at will

[-] taanegl@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oh lord, hallowed by thine whip, and golden is your- hold up, it's not Biggies "10 crack commandments"? Not on my watch. Time to write a stern letter to my representative.

Erect the 10 crack commandments outside of the Utah court houses and in schools.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Only if they also add my commandments.

thou shalt piss on any religious laws
thou shalt laugh at any who say you can’t. Use the phrase “pillar of righteousness” and “sincerely held beliefs”
thou shall sue the fuck out of Utah religious discrimination

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Utah, what the fuck man.

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