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[-] jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social 185 points 1 year ago

This sounds like the battery and the charger's problem to handle, not mine.

All this tech, all this automation for every damn thing, and people keep coming at me like I'm supposed to do everything manually with my fingers and eyes and maybe an alarm or something to keep me on schedule. No. Stop it.

Make the charger handle it, or shut up. Make the phone, the charger, and the battery handle it together, you know, with digital automation. Do not even mention it to me.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Your device manufacturer has designed it to break in as many ways as possible so you have to buy a new one.

Why do you think everyone switched to non-removable batteries?

If you don't take responsibility for your device, you are just like the people that think not owning your own hardware is fine.

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[-] seanziepples@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Samsung phones have the capability to do this. There's a setting you can set to only charge to 80%. It looks like they mention that in the article.

Android phones in general have something called Adaptive Charging that attunes to when you normally need a full charge. For instance if you are charging at night while you're sleeping it will charge slower than it would during the day to improve battery health.

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[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Yup. If it’s such a huge issue, phones should only charge to 80% and report that to the user as 100%. But phone manufacturers won’t do that, because users want to be able to report the longest battery life possible when selling new phones. They don’t care that the charging habits are bad for battery longevity, because the user has already purchased the phone.

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[-] SkippingRelax@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

100% agree. Mate, there's an another ongoing post on lemmy about autosaving documents, and how everyone seems to think that saving files with their fingers pressing keys on a keyboard is the best approach possible in 2024 because software just can't do this reliably.

Of course everyone also knows better than their charger, battery and device.

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[-] solrize@lemmy.world 162 points 1 year ago

Just build phones with the understanding that batteries are consumables and make them easy to replace and standardized. Then swap in a new $5 battery when you need to so. Make the raw materials reclaimable too of course.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 60 points 1 year ago

But then you aren't forced to buy a new phone every few years?

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

What? No just a new battery. That's the point.

[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's the point of what this guy is saying.

But the point of making batteries not easily removable (besides the waterproofing factor) is that when a repair shop charges them $150 to do it, lots of people will justify putting that money towards a new phone instead.

As someone who works on phones as a hobby, I've seen that the percentage of people who will either hire someone to do it or buy a different phone is near 100. It's absolutely an intentional planned obsolescence.

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[-] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

They were being sarcastic and quoting something a phone manufacturer would say.

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[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is what the new European bill is forcing manufacturers to do.

Batteries of handheld electronics have to be easily replaceable.

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[-] ahal@lemmy.ca 82 points 1 year ago

Here's my headline: Why obsessing over battery degradation is unhealthy and you should just do whatever is easiest for you

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago

"hey here is a way to increase the life of your battery by possibly 400%."

"OMG! Why are you obsessing over this!"

Seriously how dare they try to help us and educate us!

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[-] Grimm665@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Agreed. If you're a device maker and you haven't considered the possibility of your users plugging in their devices for long periods of time in your design, then i feel that's on you to improve your product.

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[-] Pulptastic@midwest.social 80 points 1 year ago

If it shouldn't be charged above 80%, then make 80% the new 100%. "But this one goes to 11"

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

They already did. The percentage range on your phone's battery display is basically a usable range rather than an absolute range. The article talks about phone manufacturers making changes to their charging systems to optimize battery function, but the headline bit about not charging past a certain point has been taken into account by Android and iOS for ages.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 16 points 1 year ago

Very few android phones actually have this feature, most manufacturers strip it

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 17 points 1 year ago

A lot of charging circuits and battery designs already do this transparently.

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[-] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 year ago

I don't like this article because it misses some of the more important details around how to lengthen your device's life and why you may or may not want to keep your battery at a specific state of charge.

  1. State of charge is pretty arbitrary, your charging circuit could charge between 3.0V and 4.2V (pretty typical), or it could charge between 3.2V and 4.0V and still show 4.0V as being 100% charge. Different chemistries can have slightly (or significant in the case of LFP) different voltages. The cynic in me wouldn't be surprised if eventually 100% becomes ~4.35V because it makes their device look better to tech reviewers, but then have it default to only charge to 4.2V because it still gives suitable device life.
  2. The most important factors in how long your device's battery will last are temperature and how deeply you discharge the battery. Discharging your phone down until it dies does way more damage than keeping it charged at 100%.
  3. At some point practicality comes into it, you would get even more total energy out of a cell if you kept it between 40% and 60% all the time, but obviously it isn't very practical to only use 20% of your phone's available capacity in day to day use.
  4. Consider how long you are storing your device. If it is always plugged in or won't be used for months, then something like 40% to 60% would be a more suitable state of charge to keep your device at if possible. If it sits on your desk and you need to unplug it periodically and know you don't need the full charge, then sure keep it at 80%.

Personally, I don't stress about the batteries in my devices at all. I generally keep an eye on the power and plug it in when convenient, but target plugging it in before it gets too far below 50%. I've historically had almost zero issues with the batteries in my devices wearing out before I'm ready to replace it for other reasons unless it started out with marginal battery life.

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[-] Kedly@lemm.ee 51 points 1 year ago

Damn, some of you must have pretty chill lives if paying attention to what level your battery charge is at DAILY is something you want to add to your plates. I mean sure, if there was a setting that allowed you to have the phone automatically cut charging at 80% this might be worth thinking about. But when I charge my phone its during times when I dont have to think about it (Aka 90% of the time, when I'm asleep)

[-] wagoner@infosec.pub 20 points 1 year ago

Samsung has this option, called Battery Protect I think. There's also the Accubattery app which will set an alarm to go off once it reaches 80 pct. I'm with you though, unless the phone itself shuts off charging, it's too much to manage even with an alarm.

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[-] Orbituary@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At the risk of sounding like Spinal Tap, why don't they just make the chargers stop at 80% and have the interface show 100%?

Edit: woops. Appears that's already a thing.

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[-] windpunch@feddit.de 43 points 1 year ago

... Aren't devices designed to only charge the battery to 90% (and report that as 100%), because actually changing a battery to 100% is pretty harmful for it?

[-] DouchePalooza@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

You're thinking of cars, industry and others that have high value batteries.

Power tools, smartphones etc charge to the maximum 4.2V/cell, sometimes even 4.3V (some chemistries safely allow it) because the average person just wants the maximum runtime and will replace the equipment before the battery degrades significantly.

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[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

I plug all my devices directly into the power line pole outside; everything charges to 75000%

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[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 39 points 1 year ago

I live in earthquake, volcano, and tsunami territory, so I think I'll keep charging to 100% for now.

When I lived in the US and went through a hurricane, we had no power for almost 2 weeks and that stuck with me.

[-] Alto@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

Long term, keeping your phone at 80% and having battery backups charged is going to be your best bet, assuming having having said battery backups is reasonable for you. It won't take long for your 100% to suddenly be what 80% was when the phone was new.

If/when a situation happens where you need it, you can charge up to 100% no problem off the backups.

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 31 points 1 year ago

Leaving a battery at 100% over a long time wasn't recommended but I would imagine most devices have BMS settings to deal with this now.

[-] shottymcb@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I would imagine most devices have BMS settings to deal with this now.

There's not much incentive to do that. Battery longevity reduces sales. Keeping the battery at 100% gives better review scores. It's a lose lose for phone makers to implement that.

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[-] hairinmybellybutt@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

not going to trust a website that makes money from repairing phones

also a lot of armchair battery scientists in here

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 24 points 1 year ago

I'm an actual battery scientist. They wear out much more slowly if you don't charge them all the way

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[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

So my battery is at 85 and Im Supposed to wake up to it at 50 instead of plugging it in? This is a engineering issue.

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[-] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

My Galaxy s22 has an option "battery protection" that limits my battery charging to 85%. Looks like they had a good idea there.

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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm convinced that apples laptop battery saver feature that's AI powered and decides when to charge above 80% vs just letting you set it to 80% and manually set it to 100% when needed is to cause the batteries to die sooner, because ITS GOD AWFUL AT DOING ITS JOB PROPERLY.

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