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[-] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 101 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sucks, but makes sense.

I'm surprised they even attempted to use that domain. The instance still exists and will need to be routed through a new domain. Which, again sucks, because any reference links will be broken now... which... again... has me wondering why they even went with that domain in the first place. Albeit, it was a clever use of a top level. I wonder how many others are doing the same.

🤷🏽‍♂️

[-] flumph@programming.dev 24 points 9 months ago

I doubt most people know that country TLDs are different from vanity TLDs. I know when I look up domains, they're usually all smooshed together and then the terms are in a giant block of ToS.

[-] Lamedonyx@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The vast majority of people likely don't know that .tv isn't a vanity or official TLD, but the Tuvalu country TLD. And its royalties make up nearly 10% of the state's budget.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Similarly, the .io TLD is for territories around the Indian Ocean. But for some reason, it became popular for cheap little flash-style games.

[-] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, this is most probably true.

Honestly though, I don't even know what most of the generic domains are that were created. It's still deeply ingrained in me that any serious website should be using .com, .net, or .org. But... the amount of domains that were purchased just for the purpose of resale at an astronomical value has made so many of those unreachable.

There are some dot-coms that I have wanted for years which have been sitting stagnantly for more than two decades. I'd love to buy them, but there's no way I'd pay the asking price. At least generic TLDs break that stalemate for a lot of folks.

[-] noobnarski@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago

Here in Germany most (German) websites use .de, so its definetly not unprofessional here.

I am also not surprised that .de is one of the most used country TLDs out there.

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[-] marzhall@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

From one of the admins:

To the people who are like “What did you expect to happen when you picked a .af domain, are you idiots?”

Yes, we were aware of the possibility of suspension from the start Yes, we were aware that political circumstances could change But thumbing your nose at conservative autocrats as an even minor form of protest is fun In the end pretty much everyone has migrated out successfully (and I’ll continue to help anyone who remains) We’ve all gotten a fun story out of this

I’ve been signalling the probable demise of queer.af to my followers for the past year. We knew the end was coming; we just anticipated it to take a little longer

So long; it was fun while it lasted.

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[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 7 points 9 months ago

Similar thing happened with an instance I was on, it couldn't be fixed and they had to start a new instance. Think the problem was federation related, you need every instance admin to change the domain manually in their instance

[-] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I was afraid of that. If this is common enough, i think it's something the devs can introduce a feature for which would propagate such a change. Doubt it's high on the totem of things to do, though.

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[-] ISometimesAdmin@the.coolest.zone 76 points 9 months ago

OP, this title is stupidly misleading and incorrect, you should change it immediately.

The Taliban seized the DOMAIN, aka the ownership of the queer.af name that people could type into their browsers, and their system would resolve into an IP address.

As the Taliban control Afghanistan, (see where the domain comes from), this was inevitable and the instance owners were already planning to retire the instance as they didn't want to give money to the Taliban to keep it up.

The INSTANCE, aka the physical server, was not in Afghanistan, and still has its IP address(es), and so has had absolutely nothing happen to it.

[-] ryan@the.coolest.zone 36 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately, I think due to the way ActivityPub works, the domain name is inexorably tied to the instance. Trying to migrate to a new domain name would break a lot of federation to my understanding.

It looks like someone posted an attempt at a workaround here (latest reply): https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/5774

But it does require the self-destruct button because the old domain name has to be erased from other servers.

[-] ISometimesAdmin@the.coolest.zone 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yep, the other workaround that's elsewhere in this thread is to set up an entry with a different authoritative DNS in the hosts file, allowing a single machine to resolve the old domain manually.

This could be part of a greater effort, basically asking other instances to help the users evacuate the instance and transfer their accounts, before running tootctl self-destruct

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

Does federation involve some sort of key exchange? If not, would that mean that if one loses control of a domain somebody could spin up a new Lemmy instance to spoof the old one and potentially harvest data?

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[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Literally says domain in the title. Also says they seized the domain in the summary text below.

[-] Tarkcanis@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ah, af for Afganastan not "as fuck".

[-] c0c0c0@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

I suppose that depends on your point of view.

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago

Any chance they rebrand to queerasfu.ck?

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

I think queer.fr would be an awesome domain name too

[-] rhebucks-zh@incremental.social 4 points 9 months ago

No, since profanities are generally frowned upon in serious website domains.

[-] TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago
[-] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 25 points 9 months ago

That's a subdomain. The registered domain is itjust.works which they clearly won't care about.

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

queerasfri.ck?

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago

QueerAsSu.ch doesn't have the same ring to it, but they'll be safe unless the gnomes of Zurich come for them.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I mentioned on Mastodon the domain name "queersare.us" (parody of Toys R Us I guess) which actually makes use of the United States' ccTLD that barely gets used. Someone pointed out to me exactly why that's the case and it has something to do with scammers.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

how many times is this going to get posted

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

FWIW, this is the first time I'm reading this. I'll allow it.

[-] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago

As many times as possible because it's funny af

[-] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

seizes your comment in taliban

[-] Hootz@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago

If only we could just tell everyone living in the dark ages they get no say in anything if their say is shitting on someone they don't like.

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[-] TheEntity@kbin.social 11 points 9 months ago

Not exactly a surprise. It was known it will happen ahead of time: https://archive.is/EaSjE

[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I thought it already happened when I first saw that post. I'm surprised they didn't try to figure something else out and kill it sooner.

[-] TheEntity@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

I don't think they could do anything about it. As far as I know, Mastodon doesn't support any kind of instance renaming, so the hostname is one thing you cannot change. You can only spin up a completely new instance.

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[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago

!nottheonion@lemmy.world

I nearly broke my neck from the double take on that title lol.

[-] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

How tf did they seize it? isn't mastodon instance federated? don't the admins own it?

[-] zoostation@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Ultimately each country makes the rules for domains under its top level, for those that are named for the country, like .af for Afghanistan. Everything about the instance is intact and can be moved to a different domain.

[-] bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr 9 points 9 months ago

@zoostation @i_have_no_enemies Indeed, choosing .af was a bad idea for a LGBT service. But there are other bad choices (people registering names under .social without reading the fine print, which says, among other things, that some lobbies can easily take down domain names)
https://www.eff.org/fr/node/96673

[-] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

yea found a fix by someone else as well

Stéphane Bortzmeyer @bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr

@GossiTheDog Since the authoritative name servers still reply; you can also ask the #DNS resolver administrator to forward requests for queer.af to kiki.bunny.net and coco.bunny.net.

did not know they can control domain names,

is it possible to deny them that request? why did maston comply with them?

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It’s got nothing to do with Mastodon—it’s the domain name system. If DNS doesn’t direct the request to the intended server, the server never sees it.

[-] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 9 months ago

That's not how it works... the .af domain is reserved for use by Afganistan by ICANN and the government of Afganistan is the Taliban. Same with the commies on .ml which is reserved for Malaysia.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 13 points 9 months ago

Everything else correct. But ml is actually Mali. my is Malaysia.

[-] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

Dammit. The whole thing is basically absurd though because these letters mean fuckall in Afghanistan, Mali, and Malaysia and I think URLs can even have unicode now, though idk about tlds

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[-] bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr 7 points 9 months ago

@i_have_no_enemies @zoostation Maston? You mean Mastodon? The software did not "comply", it just issues regular DNS requets and the domain name servers for .af now reply NXDOMAIN (No Such Domain) for queer.af.
See https://catnip.article19.org/ (or @b0rk zines).

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[-] bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr 8 points 9 months ago

@i_have_no_enemies Almost every Internet activity start with a #DNS request. So, DNS is often (ab)used for political goals.
Also, domain names are organized in a tree so if you control a domain (in that case .af), you also control all names underneath.
There are social networks that don't rely on the DNS but they have other issues. In the mean time, take DNS seriously and choose your domain name with care.

[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 6 points 9 months ago

Still have to buy/register a domain name, and I'm assuming in this case, it's through a particular organization that doesn't like that kind of stuff.

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[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

As I was reading the title I was fully prepared to see one of the Republican states name in the end

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

I'm pretty sure none of them control registrars

[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

US states don't have registrars (four cities do however) and even .us is pretty much only used for domain hacks vs. a lot of TLDs that are actually used to identify country (which I've seen a few people criticize Americans over, but while I don't think it had anything to do with privacy as much as Americans just getting used to everything being .com, I think that's ultimately a good thing.)

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