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Nayib Bukele claims landslide victory and says Spanish democracy is a colonial fraud in impassioned speech to supporters

Nayib Bukele, El Salvador’s millennial president, attacked Spanish colonialism and imperialism in a fiery victory speech after he won a landslide victory.

Amid claims he is turning the country into a dictatorship, he boasted to flag-waving crowds below the presidential palace that El Salvador would be the first country with “a one-party system in a democracy”.

“The entire opposition together was pulverised,” Mr Bukele, who once styled himself the “world’s coolest dictator”, told the cheering masses.

The baseball cap-wearing Mr Bukele, 42, has become vastly popular for his war on gangs, but he has also been accused of stifling the courts and silencing opposition.

In his speech he said a Spanish journalist had recently asked him why he wants to dismantle democracy.

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[-] Icalasari@kbin.social 64 points 9 months ago

A one party democracy

So

A dictatorship

[-] youngGoku@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

But if you can still elect your party leader maybe it's not quite a dictatorship.

It easily could become a dictatorship if left unchecked. It could become a communist state, or a fascist regime as well.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 56 points 9 months ago

I had to find out how accurate that quote was, since everyone who writes about this guy mentions the coolest dictator thing.

He did write that, in Spanish, on his Twitter bio.

[-] Deello@lemm.ee 33 points 9 months ago

"The coolest dictator of the world globally"

[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

"Del mundo mundial" on Spanish is a common phrase (mostly used by children) to say "of the world". If you want to translate literally, it would be more like "of the worldly world".

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[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

At least he knows he's not the coolest in the universe.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Ppl have no sense of irony anymore.

He was first called dictator, this is his humoristic response. Wake up!

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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago
[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

I fully expect to get downvoted for this but as much as im anti-dictator (like any normal person) you cannot deny he has objectively been a good thing for the country so far. He has decimated the gangs which has caused a 70% decrease in the homicide rate, going from the highest in the world to the lowest in Latin America. And him being talked as a "dictator" isnt really accurate either. He was elected Mayor of the capital at fist, was extremely popular so ran for president and won, democratically, in a landslide. And his policies, specifically with that gangs has kept him at a mind-boggling 90% approval rating, making him the most popular leader of any country, and he is running for re-election fairly and democratically, because why would he even need to rig the results when hes so insanely popular?

Yes there is Plenty you can criticise him for (being anti-aborition and anti-gay marriage for example) but in that regard he is no worse than any previous leader of the country.

[-] ralphio@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He's not a dictator yet, but he'll have the opportunity to rewrite the constitution with the numbers his party will get in the next election. He seems to have signalled this is what he plans to do. Given his economic policies and the fact that he runs a police state (even if it was temporarily needed to get rid of gangs I doubt it will stop), he looks a lot like Pinochet which gives some people pause.

That said it's up to the people of El Salvador to decide if it's worth the risk to hand one party all the power.

Edit: current election not next election

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Imagine the opposition was inviting gang leaders to decide what to do with the country.

That's what happened and it's documented in video.

Why would anybody vote for them?

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago

People on this site insist that we need to eliminate the Republican Party in the US, effectively making it a one-party system in a democracy.

Doesn't sound so bad now, does it?

[-] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Multi-party, new party...maybe...but single party, I'm not sure I've heard anyone advocate for that, certainly not a lot of people.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

We do need to eliminate the Republican party but that's far from the only problem with US politics. Honestly, moving away from a first past the post voting system would force both Democrats and Republicans to do better, or get replaced by parties that better represent their constituency.

[-] isles@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

We don't need to eliminate the Republican party, we just need to let it eliminate itself from a plethora of choice.

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[-] nix@merv.news 7 points 9 months ago

You can deny it. He has been arresting thousands of people with zero evidence they are involved in gangs. Police have quotas on how many “gang members” they have to arrest to make him look good so they arrest random people to fulfill the quotas.

He’s a fascist and the fact he gets so much support because he’s “arresting the criminals” with so little pushback is scary

Here’s a story on it by a really great journalist https://youtu.be/jQcTYgOuEzA

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

You can deny it

No, you really cant. You can do what you're doing which is criticising the method and thats very fair, but the results are undeniable.

Police have quotas on how many “gang members” they have to arrest to make him look good so they arrest random people to fulfill the quotas.

Thats an unsubstantiated claim and the couple of reports thats based off claims its orders from specific regional police chiefs, not the government, you can argue his government should do a better job monitoring those things, but you cant pin that on him personally.

He has been arresting thousands of people with zero evidence they are involved in gangs.

This claim has more evidence but independent organisation (HRW and Cristosal) only had 200 complaints in the first couple months after 25,000 arrests (its difficult to find more recent figures). So even if we assume all those complaints are valid and those people were wrongfully arrested then thats <1% of arrests being innocent, which is pretty good honestly.

he gets so much support because he’s “arresting the criminals” with so little pushback is scary

Because you dont have the context. Its easy to think of it as scary when you live in a relatively peaceful developed country, but for the people actually from El Salvador that had to deal with extremely violent gangs that could murder you for basically any reason at any time with no consequence and a government that was making deals with those gangs to keep the citizens organised, its an incredible relief, and yes he is actually arresting criminals and massively reducing the homicide rate. The fact that any time he is brought up, even on that Youtube video you linked Salvadorian people come out universally in support of him and point out how your "journalist" can only go around the country making her documentary without being murdered is because his policies, just goes to show how much good his policies are doing.

and again, dont get me wrong, im opposed to a lot of right wing populist policies and im against undemocratic dictators (which I think he is only on the borderline of) but human lives are more important to me than political principles.

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[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Bunch of people in this comment thread have no idea what they are talking about. I have family in various parts of el Salvador and ever since bukele came into office politics is all they fucking talk about. It's actually quite annoying but the people there absolutely love him and his party. Maybe I am biased as I also have family that hold positions in nuevas ideas. Either way I don't think I've ever heard of a Salvadorean that didn't love the direction the country is going.

[-] selffish@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This whole "democracy is colonialism" stuff needs to end lol

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Especially since a decent portion of the US democracy was lifted straight out of the Six Nations. They straight up copied the Native Americans in the New England area of the country. Which is why when you look at the Greek version of Democracy, and the US version, there's a ton of differences

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Bloody Ancient Athenians coming over here and taking our right to be governed by dictatum.

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

It's the first time I heard about that... is that a common nonsensical political trope?

[-] girthero@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Considering Latin America has had multiple coupes caused by the US I can see why their populace is bit suseptical to that sort of rhetoric.

[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 19 points 9 months ago

Multiple coups, stolen elections, entire systems of control and oppression by American corporations (banana republics), etc.

In Cuba they literally went from super racist and clinging to Spain, to multicultural and trying to get independence from Spain, then back to Jim Crow type racism because of US influences.

Latin America also has a rich and beautiful history of democracy and relative cultural unity so it's still surprising to see all these dictators come to power. Almost every single country (if not every single one) that revolted against Spain from 1808-1825 ended up becoming a democracy. We need to put this thought at the forefront so as to avoid dictatorial strongmen.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago

It pops up in countries that were historical targets of colonialism. Usually by the dictators who took over when the European power was kicked out.

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[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 9 months ago

Putin was insanely popular in his country too, same as Kim jong un and bin Salman, they all have 100% approval rate, they most be awesome leaders

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Anyone can be insanely popular! Just gotta have an iron grip on the media!

[-] Naich@kbin.social 39 points 9 months ago

What the world really needs right now is another narcissistic dictator.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

Anyone who puts the words "coolest dictator" in a non satire publication needs to be stockaded

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

We really need journalists on this planet to do their jobs

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

Like this journalist did by quoting him directly? Does no one even read anymore?

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I read it, but you know many simply go by headlines, which are tailored as clickbait, often irresponsibly. So I'm fine with quoting the guy in context, but it's poor form to let him get away with 'coolest dictator' in the context-free part that 80% of people will see.

[-] BaardFigur@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Sure they like him now. Just wait a few years.

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[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago
[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 9 months ago

That would be the same El Salvador that's had the world's highest murder rate since I was a kid, would it?

Sounds like the "war on gangs" is just "replace them all with one big gang and put the leader in charge of the country".

But go back far enough and that's how a lot of countries became more than a bunch of local warlords fucking up each others shit.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The oposition literally invited the gangs to decide what to do with the country.

It's documented in video.

Study the case first before giving a strong opinion.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

He wants to be the only gang in Salvador

[-] MagnyusG@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

ITT: People who don't know what the fuck they're talking about. If you're not Salvadorean, or have no understanding of how politics in El Salvador have been for the past half-century, kindly shut up.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Glad you cleared that up for all of us.

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 20 points 9 months ago

Or else they'll be arrested and put in a camp without legal recourse?

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Only if they try to enter the US.

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[-] fujiwood@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

We're not allowed to have our own opinions?

How very Dictator of you.

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Salvador's millennial president

Are we the badies?

[-] ratman150@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

Are millennials destroying democracy?

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Dude looks like the darkest timeline’s version of Johnathan from Queer Eye.

[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

My latin American country needs someone like this dude to get rid of both local and foreign crime, which is going to run rampant at some point

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

I got to meet him at a wedding about a year ago. He's like a regular guy he just cares about the people. I don't think the one party thing is on purpose.

[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 6 points 9 months ago

He also made Bitcoin legal tender

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