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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 75 points 9 months ago

Please let him succeed this time! 🤞🤞🤞

[-] altec@midwest.social 37 points 9 months ago

But according to Nancy Pelosi, it's just Chinese propaganda!

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

With all due respect to her, which is none, Nancy Pelosi needs to go away and never speak to the public about anything again.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Age caps in politics when?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not age caps, periodic mandatory cognitive function tests.

Bernie is only slightly younger than Pelosi chronologically, but at least a couple decades sharper mentally. Trump is YOUNGER than Bernie but as senile as the day is long at the height of summer.

Though most start to decline at or a few years after 70, some people can stay sharp long after and we need people like Bernie just as much as we don't need people like Pelosi.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

This is just the latest example of why I lol so hard when some con whines about Nancy and claims she is some kind of radical leftist.

After I catch my breath, I ask them exactly which policies make her "radical" and be as specific as possible. Not sure I've ever had an answer that involved anything coherent - maybe one of them has complained about her insider trading, but don't seem to realize it's not confined to her or even just Democrats.

I find her exhausting for a lot of reasons, but they just have been told to hate her because she's a women of some prominence who does not have their lips wrapped around the base of tiny d's mushroom and the right wing haaaaaates that.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago

I'm guessing it's because he's anti-Semitic.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago

That might have been too subtle, I feel like a number of people are going to miss the joke there.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

Though it makes me sad, you are probably right. Wayyyyy too many people levy this kind of thing at Sanders (and Chomsky, lol) as a supposedly serious charge.

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

I'm completely with you, but I have to point out there are plenty antisemitic people of Jewish ancestry (Steve Pieczenick), and many other people who self hate their backgrounds (my father has said very derogatory things about American black people. He grew up in the islands, but still).

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 9 months ago

I'll be honest, almost downvoted them.

[-] TheMusicalFruit@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The USA should not be sending any forms of “aid” to a country that has enough resources and wealth to build and maintain nuclear weapons.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

Israel isn't going to stop until they free the hostages and capture or (more likely kill) Yahya Sinwar.

Civilian casualties are a by product of war. This war won't end until the objectives have been accomplished.

Would you prefer Israel use the most accurate munitions possible when fighting in an urban combat scenario or less accurate weapons. Less accurate weapons means more civilian casualties.

Of course it would all be over if Hamas surrendered, odd how no one is calling for a group that committed actual genocide (rather than the internet meme version of "genocide" Israel is accused of) to surrender and face justice. If that happened the war would be over and there would be no more civilian casualties. But internet memes is more important than reality to a lot of people I guess.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

israel won't stop until they've ethnically cleansed all of Gaza and the West Bank. Whether they do it through genocide or forced emigration or a combination of the two, that is the real objective. Hamas is israel's #1 asset in this mission since it gives them the excuse and idiots actually believe this excuse.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Forced emigration is a valid part of genocide. I mean don't get me wrong the killing is far worse but it's in the definition.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Israel can stop the famine right now, just by letting aid in or civilians out. It's not even about the 2,000 pound bombs anymore. That was abhorrent. This is systemic murder.

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[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Hamas is fucking terrible. What they did was terrible. What Israel is currently doing in retaliation is terrible.

I would love it if Hamas surrendered if that immediately stopped all the killing. They won't though.

1700+ dead. 250 hostages, in a country of 9+ million people.

27000+ dead, in a small strip of land that had 2+ million people.

It's beyond fucking retribution at this point.

I would like to know what you think Israel would do if they accomplish their objectives?

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Israel isn't going to stop

Could have just finished your sentence there. They only care about the hostages for political optics and they know as well as anyone that you don't stop terrorism just by killing the leaders. Their goal is to kill or displace as many Gazans as possible and then take over the area and the fossil gas on the coast. Everything else is just pretense.

Civilian casualties are a by product of war.

Israel are killing TWICE as many civilians as Hamas, though, by their own admission. They refuse to prove it though, so it's probably much worse in reality. That's not a by-product. That's genocide.

This war won't end until the objectives have been accomplished.

Unless the West stops them, you're right about that, even as you're completely wrong about what the actual objectives are.

Of course it would all be over if Hamas surrendered,

First of all it wouldn't. Second of all, their radical ideology makes surrender impossible.

the internet meme version of "genocide" Israel is accused of

These are the actual criteria as per the genocide convention, for it to qualify as a genocide:

any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

  • Killing members of the group; ✅️
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; ✅️
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; ✅️
  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; ✅️
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. ❓️

So as you see, it's not a meme. By the official and only pertinent definition of genocide, the Israeli government IS committing genocide.

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[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They have killed more civilians than Hamas has members.

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[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The man who should have elected in 2016 AT THE LATEST.

I'm going to go cry in a corner as Biden gets another country wrapped up in endless war so he can save democracy using... Zionism, guns, and drones.

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The man who should have elected in 2016 AT THE LATEST.

...and finishing his second term at roughly the same age as Biden starting his.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 25 points 9 months ago

Bernie's looking wierdly more normal and sane these days. Less of a crazy Doc Brown vibe.

His messaging is, as always, spot on; that hasn't changed.

[-] twistypencil@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Let's organize a write in for Bernie this election

[-] Kit 12 points 9 months ago

I love Bernie, but that's how you hand Trump a win. If you live in a swing state you're unfortunately stuck voting for the lesser of two evils.

[-] Fish@midwest.social 7 points 9 months ago

And if you don't live in a swing state then your vote doesn't really matter.

[-] ReiRose@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I understand where you are coming from, and if you decide to do the 'lesser of two evils approach', I'm not mad at you. It's a much better response than voting for the Dems because you believe they aren't evil.

I'm torn, because I quite obviously do not want any fascist-leaning-anyone to win, but I'm also horrified at the long term impact of a two-evil-party system. I've been paying closer and closer attention every four year cycle and the Manchin-Sinema block was the start of the end for me. The final nail was somewhere between finding out about Pelosi and her finances and the "we have power now, but vote for us next time and we will really do something about women's bodily autonomy".

If I find an independent I agree with I'll vote for them. If not I'll write in Bernie. You may end up on the correct side of history as I stand weeping into a burning creator that was once a hopeful country.

Added context: I'm blue County red state.

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[-] spider@lemmy.nz 10 points 9 months ago

Bernie might not run for reelection at the end of his senate term later this year. I can't blame him for wanting to get away from it all; he will be 83.

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Yeah, because it worked such wonders the last time...

[-] Saurok@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

There are socialist third party candidates already running. Claudia/Karina from PSL (Party for Socialism and Liberation) and Cornell West. I think it would make more sense to throw support behind one of them.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

I agree. If you are in a decidedly red state that will already vote for a Republican. A socialist runner up would be hilarious.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Heck even in a decidedly blue state. I would be willing to do that in California, but just not the swing states.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Conservatives love a good genocide. They are falling over themselves in delight at the innocent families being slaughtered wholesale and are demanding even more weapons be sent.

Conservatives will aggressively fight any bill that seeks to impede genocide. For that reason, I do not think this ammendment can pass.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Yes and meanwhile most of the so called "liberal" democrats are also actively supporting genocide.

I think last time Sanders tried this, which was only a month ago, he only got like 8 senators to sign on.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Yes. Neoliberals are conservatives.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

10, but your point very much stands. Especially since that was just about commissioning an audit of sorts!

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Fuck the conservatives, but there isn't exactly much liberal action on this front either.

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[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 13 points 9 months ago
[-] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately Israel doesn't need our funding or weapons.

[-] stinky613@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 9 months ago

Yeah, we could cut off every possible kind of funding to Israel and they'd still have sufficient military resources to level Gaza a hundred times over

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

So, we should just keep supplying more?

I agree that we should take it further. Support, and demand, a cease fire now. There is a lot of inertia and this is a step in the right direction where a lot of other people are running in the wrong direction.

[-] stinky613@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 9 months ago

Personally I don't think we should've been supplying them in the first place for the simple fact that they're more than suitably equipped already

I just think that if the goal is a ceasefire, neither continuing nor halting supplies would really move the needle. Want us to stop supplying them? Fine by me.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Agreed, but I do feel it’s important to do both. And this is a way to push against all that inertia of Israel being …. Well, Israel

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 4 points 9 months ago

Why have they been stepping up weapons transfers then?

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