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submitted 8 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday he is sending National and Florida State Guard troops to Texas to help that state put up razor wire fences on the southern border, a move in apparent defiance of the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on the contentious immigration issue.

DeSantis said it would be the “first-ever deployment” for the State Guard, a force he re-established in 2022 after being defunct for 75 years.

But Florida law says the State Guard, which reports directly to the governor, is to be used “exclusively within the state,” and a proposed bill to allow out-of-state deployments has not been passed by the Legislature.

DeSantis spokesman Jeremy Redfern did not respond to a request for comment on the use of the State Guard outside of Florida.

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[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 139 points 8 months ago

Can someone from the White House please point out that if there really is an "invasion" at the southern border, that makes DeSantis and Abbott guilty of aiding America's enemies by putting them on buses and planes and sending them all over the US?

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago

Since when does human trafficking aid the victims?

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It doesn't, but that's beside the point. The point is, if there really is an "invasion" at the border, what do you call someone who helps those "invaders" get deeper into the country? Why shouldn't the federal government march right in to Tallahassee and Austin and arrest Abbott and DeSantis on charges of treason?

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[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 89 points 8 months ago

Biden should call their bluff. Letting Abbott and DeSantis make these little shows of defiance using actual troops and law enforcement personnel only emboldens the right. That has to be a red line.

[-] sugarfree@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

He should call their bluff and force them to allow thousands of illegal crossings per day without doing anything about it? That's the right move, in your opinion?

[-] tooclose104@lemmy.ca 82 points 8 months ago

Isn't there a plaque at the Statue of Liberty saying something like:

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

The US and Canada were literally started by immigration, grown by it. Before these two countries were born it belonged to First Nations and the wild. The attitude of 'fuck you I got mine' is classic boomer and why society is so fucked today. If they weren't so rightfully scared of ICE they'd be taxpayers, adding even more value to the country than just their labour and culture alone.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 months ago

Many of them do pay taxes, via shared SS numbers, but can never claim the benefits.

They’re helping pay for the boomers’ social security right now.

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[-] TwattyMctwatterson@lemmings.world 13 points 8 months ago

Tell me you have never read the bipartisan immigration bill without telling me you have never read the bill.

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[-] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago
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[-] GnomeKat 8 points 8 months ago

I personally do not care about illegal crossings, it does not affect me in the slightest. Immigration is a net positive for the country imo, and I really don't care about if it happens the "right way" or not. Fuck borders shit is a scam.

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[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 87 points 8 months ago

I think that my favorite part of the Bible is where Jesus puts razor wire in the river to keep people from entering his country.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 72 points 8 months ago

For fuck's sake, shut this down already. They're going to keep ratcheting until they get a response, and if they go far enough the next step is to actually start fighting. It's not a harmless stunt, this is normalizing the steps toward armed rebellion.

[-] sugarfree@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

For fuck’s sake, shut this down already.

Are you referring to the illegal crossings or the attempts to prevent illegal crossings?

[-] Bricriu@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago

I think he means the illegal deployment of a debatably illegal state militia.

[-] ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 8 months ago

Shut the duck up you nazi

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 60 points 8 months ago

For fucks sake, they really want Civil War 2, don't they.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

We would have to actually end the first civil war before we could technically start a new one. They did have terms of surrender etc signed. But only the leadership surrendered. It's been a cold civil war for at least the last hundred years plus

[-] Wermhatswormhat@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

You know, either they really want to start another war, or this is just a damn show for this crazy ass election cycle that’s taking place. Probably both. They want to be able to tell their constituents “we’re doing everything we can to save this country, and we’re telling the Feds to F off while we do it. And their base just eats it up like taco night.

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago

Since it looks like the GOP is going to loose at the next election, a civil war is one of the few options left

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 59 points 8 months ago

Fat Ron wasting yet more taxpayer money

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 56 points 8 months ago

Just a fascist doing fascist things.

That also makes for more NatGuard troops for Biden to activate if Abbott does truly shit the bed and actually stops or conspires to stop Federal officers from cutting down razor wire.

[-] Davel23@kbin.social 21 points 8 months ago

This doesn't sound like National Guard troops. It's referred to specifically as "State Guard" and says it was only reestablished in 2022. I'm pretty sure the Florida National Guard has existed longer than that.

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's both

DeSantis orders Florida National, State Guard members to Texas border

Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday he is sending National and Florida State Guard troops to Texas

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[-] BaldProphet@kbin.social 9 points 8 months ago

State Guards and National Guards usually train and deploy together for in-state activities. Only the National Guard can be federalized, though.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Arrest every officer involved. Including desantis. Charge? Insurrection.

If Florida seceded… we get to call the wall “America’s Cock Ring”. Just saying.

[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Not like it matters, that cock is gonna shrink smaller and smaller with climate change.

[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

Exactly what happens when you have a cock ring too tight and don't remove it

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

don't tell them that. They're proud of being the state shaped like a giant dick.

wait. maybe that'll get them on board with fighting climate change....

[-] LocoOhNo@lemmus.org 40 points 8 months ago

Don't forget that, last year, when actual Nazis were goose stepping outside of Disney, Traitor Ron didn't make any effort whatsoever to stop them.

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

Why would he try to stop his voters?

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Indeed. That's his base.

[-] profdc9@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago

It would seem to me that if a governor could order military actions in another state, that would make this a nation of 50 commander-in-chiefs, not one. I would think that, if not under orders from POTUS, any military actions of the Florida National Guard in another state would be illegal.

[-] GnomeKat 8 points 8 months ago

I feel the obvious thing that is happening is they are trying to normalize it in a lead up to civil war. One inch at a time they are consciously walking towards normalizing state on state interference. It's same reason we are seeing texas trying to get medical records from a Seattle hospital. Pushing the boundaries is the MO.

[-] Zess@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Ah but this isn't the National Guard, it's the Florida State Guard. The first time it existed was because the actual National Guard was busy in WW2. Now lil Ronny resurrected it to use as his personal police force.

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[-] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 35 points 8 months ago

Sounds like DeSantis is an insurrectionist too.

[-] downhomechunk@midwest.social 6 points 8 months ago

He only wishes

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

I'm positive he doesn't have the capacity to do this since it pertains to operations outside of state lines, but these assholes really want to run and push the limits to trigger a court case. As I'm seeing this, if the Florida Troops do anything like harm a person, they are fucked.

[-] tills13@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Why is it only a crisis in Texas and not Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, or California?

I get a lot of people are crossing over, fleeing violence and political unrest but it seems like only Texas is posturing and turning it into a political issue.

[-] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 14 points 8 months ago

Texas has the shitest state government of them. Who also love to grandstand the most

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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 13 points 8 months ago

That picture of the guy in the middle of the razor wire is fucking harrowing

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[-] BaldProphet@kbin.social 13 points 8 months ago

There is nothing legal about this.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Hasn't seemed to be a concern for them yet.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

The next Red Dawn remake won't have to worry about hasty last-minute edits to make the Chinese invaders into North Koreans. MAGA chucklefucks getting schwacked won't bother the CCP one bit.

[-] ganksy@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Go ahead swing your pee pee around just don't cry when we deduct it from your state subsidies

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

I hate this timeline. Fuck all these jerks that keep trying to goad on a civil war.

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