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[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 142 points 9 months ago

Lpt: DO NOT ASK A PERSON IF THEY HAVE FOUND A JOB YET

If they have and you're important enough to them, you'll know when they tell you. If they haven't told you, either it's none of your GODDAMN BUSINESS or they're still looking.

You asking just reminds them they don't have a job. And if they've been looking for awhile, it's even worse. Especially if you actually said "yet" or added in some other "it's been awhile" modifier.

[-] Neil@lemmy.ml 49 points 9 months ago

Nah, sorry. If you've got a lazy teenager (or even adult) living rent free in your basement, you have every right to pressure them about finding a job.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago

This is one of the toughest job markets I've ever experienced for specialized labor. I was part of the tech industry layoffs last year and I busted my ass for months before I got an offer. Many people I know are going through the same thing. It was honestly more draining than my actual job and I'd occasionally reach a burnout point where I couldn't even look at listings without being consumed by anxiety and dread.

On top of that, I was still paying ludicrous rent prices because the housing market is also shite and by the end of my unemployed period my net worth had been cut by almost 50%. I'm fortunate enough to have had an emergency fund but having the option to live rent free in my parent's basement sure would have been nice.

Obviously, every situation is different. But I'd advise anyone to be aware of the situation and ask how they can support somebody going through that rather than assuming they're just being lazy and regularly pestering them.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

i dunno, that culture of everything (even your care for your son) being transactional and people kicking their kids out of the house at 18 for being "leeches" doesnt seem like it helps a lot. feels like extreme alienation.

it doesnt help that working and paying rent is significantly more difficult than it used to be for the previous generations. despite advancing technology we now have to slave away much worse to afford living.

all that said, i guess the problem its on the tone of it or how culture is in that regard, not so much about just the act of asking. i think capitalists have succesfully associated the grind with some sort of virtue.

[-] Strawberry 17 points 9 months ago

Except pressuring them is counterproductive and demotivating. Just adds to their stress and shame

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

The right kind of positive reinforcement can help people who are feeling depressed and defeated. Sometimes just being there and letting them know they're not alone in this, that they aren't unique in hating the job hunt, and that we all know how dysfunctional the system is can be the sympathetic boost they need to give it another go.

Just ignoring and isolating someone who is struggling isn't helpful either. Especially if they're paralyzed by anxiety or confusion.

The stress and the shame comes from feeling like you don't fit in. And the job hunting process necessarily involves a lot of rejections - often deeply personal rejections on subjects you had historically felt quite good about. Helping someone score even a minor W can count for a lot.

In my experience, one of the best cures to job hunt paralysis is volunteering. When you're working with other people to do something useful and beneficial to others, you get the sense that you really do have skills and add value to others. Also, its a good way to get outside your bubble and meet people who might want to pay you to do shit. If nothing else, the folks you volunteer with are usually good for a referral.

But just hiding in a dark room all day is fucking awful for the human psyche.

[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

They are living rent free. They don't have any stress

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

not having any money is stressful as fuck.

not like living on the expense of others in a society where everything is about money feels any better either.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you’ve got a lazy teenager (or even adult) living rent free in your basement

I mean, pressure has its place. But when it becomes a particularly sore subject, especially in a tight job market, you're just poking an open wound.

If you want to help someone get on their feet, maybe try... actually helping. "Hey, I found someone looking to hire an entry level thing-you-do and here's the contact information" / "I saw a help-wanted sign over at the place that has jobs you're looking to fill" / "I asked my friend if they have any openings at Company and it sounds like they might be willing to give you a referral" is vastly more helpful than "Have you tried looking online yet?"

[-] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Old people trying to help are always useless.

It was always something incredibly basic like:

"Have you tried writing a CV."

Or incredibly stupid like

"Just march in there and demand a job."

Or the most annoying.

"This person needs insert free labour, that'll be good. No they can't afford to hire anyone so you won't get paid."

Nepotism works, if you can use nepotism you might help. Otherwise you probably have no idea what you're doing.

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[-] RatherBeMTB@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The crystal generation! Now it looks bad to show interest in someone's well being because it makes them uncomfortable for a few seconds. Also, only fucking God knows why it makes them uncomfortable!

[-] sharkwellington@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The crystal generation!

Is this the new slang boomers are using now that "snowflake" gets you laughed out of the room? Doesn't quite roll off the tongue the same. You should workshop it a little.

[-] RatherBeMTB@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

I could answer you but I won't because I don't want to make you uncomfortable.

[-] sharkwellington@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Ah okay it's just trollbait, gotcha.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

Did you grow empathy or a soul yet?

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 20 points 9 months ago

If you care about their well being, why ask questions you know make them feel uncomfortable?

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[-] egeres@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Given:

  • the current status of the housing market
  • the job crisis that will come as a side effect of the AI revolution
  • the climate change fuckfest that is coming in the next 20 years

I feel like this generation of young people might face something even worse than the great depression

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[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Thanks for your input, I will continue to ask them.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

It's a meme. It's not supposed to be 100% accurate

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Or, it's supposed to be a depiction of an event, not a lesson of how people SHOULD behave.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 months ago

For americans: governmentjobs.com

Boomers are retiring and dying like flies.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 46 points 9 months ago

usajobs.gov is the official posting site for federal government jobs. The link above is to some kind of commercial site trying to charge for what is freely available.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

The link I posted is the site used by many state and local governments for job postings. It acts as a hub for hundreds of agencies in the country. Essentially everything non federal that has not seen quality applicants for generations.

[-] Alteon@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I applied to like 80 jobs on usajobs.gov. didn't get a single call back.....for about 6 months. I had a job by that point.

I got a call back from almost every single job I applied for wanting an interview. Not joking. I got about 10 calls a week for around 2 months or so.....like fucking hell guys, you could a called half a fucking year ago. Nobody can wait that long to be unemployed.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

I got a entry-level job in local government and was quickly promoted then poached by another city.

I more than doubled my initial pay in 13 months and on top of that government jobs have bonkers benefits. I get medical, dental, and vision 100% covered, get 6 weeks off a year between vacation and comp time (plus another 3 weeks of sick leave), a ton of paid holidays, and the city double-matches my retirement, so I put in 7% and get 21%.

Government jobs are where it's at if you want stability and good benefits. The pay can be on the low side, but after the cost of insurance and proper retirement planning, the private sector isn't always a lot better.

And knowing that I'm helping to make the town better instead of filling some rich asshole's pockets is a lot more satisfying.

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[-] egeres@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Not sure if this is the right place to start this conversation, but I find glassdoor much more pleasing and respectful than linkedin. If you're struggling to get a job maybe give it a shot, it's incredibly though out there right now, best of luck to all of you!!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Glassdoor has its kinks, but LinkedIn is just six MLMs in a trench coat.

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[-] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago

linkedin is Facebook for "professionals"

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 points 9 months ago

Who looks for jobs on Linked In.

Linked In is Facebook for people who want to return to full time office working.

[-] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 50 points 9 months ago

I completely agree with your second line and despise it, but I have found my last several jobs on LinkedIn so it’s not totally worthless.

[-] Oka@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

All I get is job agency spam on LinkedIn

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[-] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What job site do you think is the holy grail

[-] Mkengine@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not OP, but I use Google Jobs where they aggregate jobs from every job website. I have around 40 job keyword alerts and get the daily new jobs in a 50 km radius. The only bad thing about this are the duplicates from similar keywords, so I wrote a python script that creates an Excel file with unique jobs from the mails and the most important job information.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 9 months ago

There isn't one because there are no jobs. But it certainly isn't Linked In.

[-] pufferfisherpowder@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

There are no jobs!!

Have you checked Linkedin?

No, it's garbage.

Smh

[-] oce@jlai.lu 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Got my previous job because I was easy to find on LinkedIn. Got my current job on a different continent by contacting people through LinkedIn. Yes there is a lot of of bullshit but it can be pretty useful too.

[-] droans@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Might just be my industry (Accounting/Finance), but LinkedIn has also been great for me.

The first job out of college is always the hardest. I spent months sending out hundreds of resumes for a dozen interviews. But each job since then, I've only had to send out two or three before I had an offer.

Oddly, I'm back working for the same company I started at. I could be making more by job-hopping, but I realized that once I'm making enough money, I would rather take a pay cut then have the increased stress, poor benefits, and longer hours.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 4 points 9 months ago

Wisdom! I get bored after a couple of years, so I'm mostly chasing the adventure, so I have changed industries and country recently without earning more.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago

I think LinkedIn works best for somewhat specialized workers with higher education, credentials or specialized experience. I too have found my last two jobs there. It was useless for years but I recently hit a threshold apparently and it suddenly has become a good resource.

[-] beyondthegrave@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

LinkedIn should be looking for jobs for you.

If you set up your profile correctly, LinkedIn will function as your agent and bring YOU job leads.

At least that's how I used it.

[-] quams69@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

I'm back at the job I walked out on five months ago, started again today

Someone kill me please god end this it isn't worth it nothing is worth this

[-] autokludge@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago

I'm sure you had your reasons.

Employers prefer it if you are already taken.

[-] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Impressive amount of anger in these comments

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