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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 180 points 10 months ago

“Choosing” is doing some heavy lifting here when gen-z ain’t got no money.

[-] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 97 points 10 months ago

Just like us millennials 'choosing' not to buy houses.

[-] PedestrianError@towns.gay 40 points 10 months ago

@ItsAFake @davel Funny how the failure of capitalism is causing people to “choose” not to follow the overconsumptive lifestyle patterns the capitalists insist we must aspire to. A failed system will fall apart one way or another, even if it has convinced most people not to want it to fail.

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[-] manualoverride@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

News in UK today said car insurance for young drivers is now £3000 a year on average ($4000USD)

[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

What? That's in no way sustainable.

[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago

Prepare for the next headline saying that "Gen Z is killing the car industry".

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

You speak of "heavy lifting" without reading the article explaining in part how the economy may be impacting these choices.

[-] darthsid@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Choosing not to drive then is an incorrect headline whereas unable to afford driving would be more accurate.

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[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 89 points 10 months ago

Now hopefully they start voting in their local elections for politicians who will build transit, bike lanes, and support walkability.

[-] justhach@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

We had a really promising, progressive city councillor run for Mayor who basically tanked their campaign by making investment in cycling infrastructure one of their main platforms.

So, instead, we got a business-as-usual developper friendly mayor who will continue to do nothing to address public transit issues, or improvr cycling infrastructure besides painting a few lines on busy roads.

[-] RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think the major issue is that most people see bike lanes as removing their choice to drive, rather than adding alternatives to make driving easier. These people pushing for change need to look at the MAYA ~~principal~~ principle, meaning they use the Most Advanced, Yet Acceptable vocabulary to ease in the transition.

Anyone who wants to platform for biking and making better urbanism needs to instead focus their campaign on being fiscally responsible and tackling traffic concerns. If pressed, they can say that there are lots of data showing that small, cheap changes to the road infrastructure can make a large impact in both traffics and taxes.

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[-] colourlesspony@pawb.social 53 points 10 months ago

Because it's expensive and sucks if you live in a city. Also, most can't afford a house out in the suburbs anyways.

[-] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 51 points 10 months ago

I and my brother did some math about cars.

We both work and have money for car but just insurance, technical and emissions control... is more expensive than public transport ticket (for one year in our city). And we didn't count in petrol and parking.

In short for us it just doesn't make economical sense to own one.

[-] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

according to McKinsey. "And for those Gen Zers who decide that driving just isn't for them, they can keep themselves busy with TikTok in the passenger seat—or get behind the wheel in the metaverse."

Be a good consumer and accept our thought control.

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 37 points 10 months ago

Who the fuck gets "behind the wheel in the metaverse"?

[-] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 13 points 10 months ago

@loutr @Phoenix3875 "get behind the wheel in the metaverse" a phrase used by the utterly deranged

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[-] Patches@sh.itjust.works 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The 'Get Behind the wheel in the metaverse' proves this article is absolute garbage, and just a fluff piece for Zuc the Cuck.

[-] quams69@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

I'm 31 and if I could never drive a fucking car again that'd be great 👍

[-] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago
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[-] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ebikes will get you a good chunk of the way there in a lot of places. Other than that, if you live in a city then vote like hell and go to city council meeting as often as possible to demand bike lanes. Local voting actually matters and can change (some) things.

If you live in the country... Eh... Start sabotaging gas stations I guess? I don't even know where to begin with a constructive answer. Rural folks are basically forced in to cars and there isn't much to do about it without massive changes. In the Netherlands even small towns get train stations, but in the US and Canada and even a lot of Europe rural folks are just screwed.

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[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

Exact same here. The amount of money cars cost is fucking ridiculous. I would pay more and wait longer to not have to deal with the bullshit of owning a car, but I can’t even do that because American public transit is worse than Mordor.

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[-] imnapr@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You could say Gen Z "chooses" a lot of things. Gen Z "chooses" not to buy houses (we can't afford them) Gen Z "chooses" to be mentally ill (not even 10 years ago, "autism" was just "the weird kid") Gen Z "chooses" to rent Gen Z "chooses" not to buy food Gen Z "chooses" to let climate change fuck the earth Gen Z "chooses" to not have kids (although here we actually don't want them, but also couldn't afford them) and so on.

[-] SGG@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Next headline "Gen Z chooses to let all their choices be made by Choosing to not have enough money!"

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[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 10 months ago

If you're working from home then ubering everywhere is cheaper than insurance for a new driver and once you put gas plus the cost of the car into the equation I totally understand this.

[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

. . . cheaper than insurance for a new driver

I’ve been driving 20 years. No points and no recent accidents. I last paid $1300 for 6 months of car insurance on a Hyundai and it’ll probably go up again next time.

That’s $2600 a year or $50 a week and we haven’t spoken about gas, or parking in some locations. Absolutely Uber is an option, or ebike.

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[-] NotJustForMe@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

I dropped driving 20 years ago. Way too expensive if you don't earn money with it in some fashion. I'm not a home-worker, but I live in a city. Having a car in a city... That just doesn't feel right. They should be used to bring stuff into a city. Cites should provide their own means of getting around. The few times when I actually needed a car, I rented one. Way cheaper than owning a car.

It's like owning a golf course to play golf once a week. Well. Something like that.

[-] tty5@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Insurance rates vary greatly with zip code in Canada. I moved just before I was going to buy a car and when I got quoted over $700 CAD per month to insure a Fiat 500 (new driver over 30) I quickly calculated that taking Uber to and from work daily is going to be much cheaper than insurance alone..

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[-] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 months ago

I'm right there with them. I spent 7-8 years in a larger city and enjoyed not having a car the entire time. No renting a parking spot or fighting over who gets to block in who with the upstairs or downstairs neighbors. No snow shoveling or scrambling to park on one side for street sweeping.

I'm now temporarily in a place where buses are at an hour interval and only go to 1 place so I took one of the family cars. Despite the car being "free" I'm paying more than an unlimited transit pass on insurance alone, and I have a great rate at the expense of having to let my insurance track my accelerating / braking through GPS/accelerometer (at least for a few weeks before I can uninstall the app and enjoy the lower rate). I've had to pay for an inspections, tags, fixing a tint that was legal at home but illegal where I am now (over $100 even if I just had them remove it), and I'm still needing to spend on extras like oil to top up in between oil changes, new wipers, coolant, and it's looking like it's almost due for tire rotations, brake and transmission flush, and other regular maintenance which is just another expense.

The car was free and it's so expensive still. I miss being able to hop on a bus and zone out too.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago

Good on them. I fucking love Zoomers.

[-] ada 21 points 10 months ago

I mean, I get it. I hate the damned things. I can't deny their utility, but they're just not worth it

[-] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 16 points 10 months ago

The key thing here is cost. Employers don't want to pay, and everything is so damn expensive.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 14 points 10 months ago

My dad in a conversation with other parents:

"When I was their age, a car meant freedom. It meant you could take yourself to a place your friends were and your parents weren't, anytime you wanted. To them, the Internet means freedom, and they don't really see the point."

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

You know what true freedom is? Not requiring a car to get to places by having decently designed neighbourhoods where people can walk or cycle. For longer distances good quality transit could be available. No massive investment or lisence needed to travel.

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[-] Bransons404@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Imagine that! I wonder why.

[-] Jeremyward@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Lol cause no one can afford to live let alone buy a car..

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

I miss living in a city where I didn't have to drive. Maybe one day I will have that chance again.

[-] dasgoat@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Nah we're just broke

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

Is that because the costs of cars has vastly exceeded inflation while wages have mostly stagnated until mid 2021? (please note: beating inflation by a bit for 2 years in no way makes up for the prior 40+)

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