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submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

A federal judge in Florida ruled a U.S. law that prohibits people from having firearms in post offices to be unconstitutional, the latest court decision declaring gun restrictions violate the Constitution.

U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, a Trump appointee, cited the 2022 Supreme Court ruling “New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen” that expanded gun rights. The 2022 ruling recognized the individual’s right to bear a handgun in public for self-defense.

The judge shared her decision in the indictment that charged Emmanuel Ayala, U.S. Postal Service truck driver, with illegal possession of a firearm in a federal building.

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[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 164 points 9 months ago

Now do courthouses and see how well that goes.

[-] spider@aussie.zone 79 points 9 months ago

U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle

...specifically hers.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Restrictions on carry in court houses would likely pass the Bruen test.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

I don't see any reason why a court should be treated any differently though.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 34 points 9 months ago

Well yeah, the Courts make up rules and tests to advance whatever agenda is on the docket. They work backwards from the result they want.

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[-] derf82@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

What historical analog can you point to that wouldn’t also apply to post offices?

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 97 points 9 months ago

You know what else is public? Courthouses.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 85 points 9 months ago

Florida is such a shit hole.

[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

We're not "such a shit hole". We're an exquisite shit hole.

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[-] spider@aussie.zone 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

in Florida

surprise! ;)

Edit: Ha ha, downvoted...Florida Man is watching!

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

We look at Florida the way the rest of the world looks at us.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Yeah, Florida made itself such a reputation, that when there was an article that the law about financial disclosure of politicians passed it just raised questions "what's the catch?". People are not used to seeing anything positive coming from that state.

[-] spider@aussie.zone 11 points 9 months ago

law about financial disclosure of politicians

I'm actually in Florida (but on an Aussie Lemmy instance); you wouldn't believe the number of politicians, mostly from wealthy beach communities, who are vacating their offices because of that law. It's a total shit show.

[-] Zoidberg@lemm.ee 51 points 9 months ago

We should make sure it's also unconstitutional to block guns at:

  • Courthouses
  • GOP conventions
  • Political rallies
  • NRA conventions
[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Jesus Christ. Can you imagine families of the defendant and victim along with the jury all being armed when the verdict gets read at a murder trial?

I've been a juror on a murder trial and even with current regulations banning guns, we got armed escorts out the back of the building after the verdict.

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[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 45 points 9 months ago

Cool, so the place that mass shootings in the US began, and coined its own phrase, now must allow armed nut jobs inside. What could go wrong!?

[-] Ultragramps 38 points 9 months ago

The USPS has been abused by DeJoy, another trump appointee, who filled the fleet with more gas vehicles with less efficiency than previous models. That and removing public mail boxes for “reasons that totally didn’t have to do with mail-in voting helping Democrats win elections, promise.”

[-] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It wasn't just blue boxes, he also shut down sorting machines, slowing mail processing in another attempt to delay mail-in ballots. Luckily we weren't sending these off to get sorted at the plant and would take them to the town hall directly which probably helped circumvent a lot of late ballots. Can't say this was done in every office but in my local area I know we did that.

Edit: a word

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

now must allow armed nut jobs inside

What do you imagine was blocking such people from carrying in the first place? A sign?

"Well shit Jethro. Sign says it right there. 'No nutty gunners allowed.' Let's go put our shit back in the truck. 'Parently the libs won't 'allow' us to shoot the place up. Dang it!"

People like you are why our politicians waste political capital on bullshit laws instead of working towards real solutions. You actually believe carry bans are effective? Ignorant at best, a childish conception of human behavior, and that's me being charitable.

"Well, by golly I don't like it! A ban should do nicely! Put those bad people in their place for once!"

Yeah. Worked for alcohol, abortion and drugs, didn't it?

the place that mass shootings in the US began

Fuck are you on about? I know, bag on Florida, score internet points, feel righteous. Getting that dopamine hit? Feeling smart?

Know why you hear so much crazy shit about Florida?

We got 21.7 million people here, third most populous state in the union. (A million is "a lot" for those of you lacking math.) Yeah, we gonna have some fruits and nuts.

We got "sunshine laws", a liberal idea, one I adore, that allows free reporting of crime and much more.

Florida began its tradition of openness back in 1909 with the passage of Chapter 119 of the Florida Statutes or the “Public Records Law.” This law provides that any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection, unless specifically exempted by the Florida Legislature.

Perhaps we should rescind that? Take the wind out of the sails for people like you?

We got a nut case governor, who is certainly going to lose his next election. LOL, we can't do worse.

Where you from? Bet money I can bag on your state as hard or harder.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 27 points 9 months ago

What do you imagine was blocking such people from carrying in the first place? A sign?

It's this simple: if it's legal to carry a gun somewhere then you have no idea which armed people are responsible, sane gun owners; if it's illegal to carry a gun somewhere, then anyone with a gun is therefore not a sane, responsible gun owner, which is really damn good to know before they are pointing the gun at someone.

No it doesn't prevent crazy people with guns, but it let's you know that anyone with a gun is a threat and measures should be taken immediately.

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[-] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

A lot to unpack here but I'll just focus on this;

the place that mass shootings in the US began

The term "going postal" is what they're referring to.

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[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

I wonder how the court would respond to a petition to allow firearms in court rooms. It's a god-given American freedom, guaranteed by the second amendment right?

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

This is a ridiculous ruling, but the reason the ban on guns in post offices makes many gun owners so angry is that unlike pretty much any other no-gun zone laws, it includes all of the property, including the parking lot.

So if a licensed person removes their gun and leaves it in the car so they can go into the post office, they've still committed a felony by parking there.

So instead they'll park in the street. And if the lot is mostly empty and there's a car parked in the street in front of the post office, it's a bright neon sign to thieves that breaking into that car will score them a gun.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 40 points 9 months ago

Turns out there's a surprisingly simple way to avoid that whole situation...

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Some people are required to carry firearms. If your job is armed security, you shouldn't have a potential felony charge for going to the post office after work and dropping a letter in the night drop with your gun locked in the car.

Just have federal buildings follow the laws of the states they're in regarding the definition of premises for firearms. That is - apply it to the buildings, but not to the cars in the parking lot.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 9 months ago

You shouldnt take the gun you use for work home. That would solve it.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Or, and I know this is radical, lock your job weapon up at your office.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

Going postal now legal in Florida.

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[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 28 points 9 months ago

These people are out of their fucking minds. Nothing’s ever enough.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

OK, let's roll it back.

Now I can't carry in a Post Office. Sound good?

Now how do you propose to enforce that law? Perhaps a sign on the door saying, "No bad guys allowed."

So weird seeing comments like yours. Let me quote Sir Terry Pratchett, wild conservative (LMAO having wrote that...)

Confiscate all weapons, and crime would go down. It made sense. It would have worked, too, if only there had been enough coppers -- say, three per citizen.

Amazingly, quite a few weapons were handed in. The flaw, though, was one that had somehow managed to escape Swing, and it was this: criminals don't obey the law. It's more or less a requirement for the job. They had no particular interest in making the streets safer for anyone except themselves. And they couldn't believe what was happening. It was like Hogswatch every day.

Some citizens took the not-unreasonable view that something had gone a bit askew if only naughty people were carrying arms. And they got arrested in large numbers.

And from another great book of his:

A sign attached to the tower read: “Dijabringabeeralong: Check your Weapons.” “Yep, still got all mine, no worries,” said Mad.

For those unfamiliar, Pratchett was so liberal, he was writing about trans rights before you kids ever heard those words put together.

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[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

I need a gun when I go to the post office to protect myself from the postal workers when they decide to go postal.

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[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

I WILL FIGHT FOR MY FREEDOM IN THE POST OFFICE

NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO TAKE MY GUNS

/s

[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

Bunch of scared insecure children on the right. Recommend a listen to Malcolm Gladwell 6 part series on gun violence for the history of the rights obsession with 2A.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So the reason she used in her ruling is that the law about not having guns in post offices was passed in 1972. Which is pants on head crazy. Under that reasoning it's not about what powers to regulate there were traditionally. It's about specific case details, like qualified immunity. The federal government has absolutely maintained an ability to say no guns in sensitive areas from day 1 of the USA. But because they didn't get around to post offices until 1972, it's illegal to make guns illegal in post offices.

Which is not the standard SCOTUS set in Bruen. According to their standard it would be sufficient to prove early Americans would approve of such laws by finding similar laws. Not requiring that they had the same exact law.

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