Sure, still going to vote for Biden over Trump. All Biden has to do is not be Trump and he is the better option.
Sure, still going to vote for Biden over Trump
So am I. Because probably like you, voting for me is easy.
Takes less than 15 minutes even on presidential years.
Not everyone is so lucky. Some people are hours of waiting, presidential years we still hear about some places being five, eight, maybe even more hours wait
And because that is almost always caused by Republicans doing it to dem areas of their state...
We really, really need those votes. If we didn't, Republicans wouldn't try so hard to suppress them.
So while voting Biden is undoubtedly worth 15 minutes of my time, you have to ask yourself: is it enough for a single parent working two jobs they don't get PTO from to stand there for half a day.
It might have been enough when Trump was actively in office. But lots of people liked the idea of Biden four years ago a lot more than they do after his first 3 years in office.
And college students may need to drive many hours to their "home" where they are registered to vote. Which they might do "often" anyway, and like combine it with laundry, a meal, and an overnight stay, but still that all comes at the expense of homework time and exam prep, plus depending on the weather that drive may get more difficult. People like to blame college kids for not voting more, especially earlier in the primaries, as if somehow it is the youth that put DT into office back then!?
Your comment providing a deeper perspective is like a breath of fresh air. Thank you for sharing it.:-)
Your comment providing a deeper perspective is like a breath of fresh air. Thank you for sharing it.:-)
And people told me I was an idiot for getting a sociology minor!
/s
Real talk tho, a big reason governments are so fucked up is at some point we all got convinced business majors and lawyers were a better pick for leaders over sociologists.
At the bare minimum we need sociologists running campaigns.
Give me somebody that went through grad school to earn barely above the poverty line for decades before becoming fed up with the system and running for office. That is someone American voters can identify with, and someone that understands how the American public thinks.
If Covid hadn't pushed vote by mail so hard in 2020, Biden would not have won. It was only because vote by mail increased voter engagement that Biden got it.
Engagement is going to be down in '24, vote by mail won't be the same option it was in lots of places, and that's going to make it a lot harder for Biden to win.
Not just vote by mail.
Lots of states finally moved away from requiring a specific polling location to anywhere in your city/county.
Which essentially broke the biggest waits. Who would stand in line for hours instead of driving to a different one if they had the option?
Pre-covid my 15 minute round trip for voting was about an hour at best, including 30 minutes driving. Because the polling location I had to go to wasn't the closest, served a large area, and was pretty tiny with very few machines. They never even had stickers.
Now I get to go to the "rich" polling location that's in walking distance, has a bunch of machines and volunteers, and gives out legit breakfast bags to every voter.
That also drastically helped Biden, I believe it'll stick around tho.
As will I, but I will also take every opportunity I have to try and make him be less of a trash person. As difficult of a task as it is.
"I'm going to vote for the guy but do my best to convince others he's trash. Hopefully they still vote for him too!"
So, one should never criticize the party they're supporting? Like the blind Trump followers?
You should probably be focusing on changing your local voting methods in order to allow different candidates rather than working towards disillusioning those who would otherwise not make voting decisions that end up supporting Republicans.
All Biden has to do is not be Trump and he is the better option.
Good news. That's the extent of Democrats' ambition.
All Biden has to do is not be Trump and he is the better option.
That's all he has to do to get votes, but he needs a campaign staff. Can you imagine dedicating energy to work to get someone elected who you aren't exactly passionate about?
Maybe he doesn't need a campaign staff. He could keep his head down and just see what happens on election day. I'd almost welcome it.
This thread is wild.. is it seriously shocking to people here that Biden campaigners (plurality young people) are upset about his response to the genocide in Gaza?? Yes, obviously we need to vote for him, but it’s crazy that criticism is labeled as astroturfing or attempts to sabotage his chances.
I really hate that every time someone criticizes him, some dumbass replies with "Yeah well Trump is way worse"
Yeah no shit lol, just because I hate the current president doesn't mean I'm automatically selecting the deranged orange.
Also why the fuck are people working for free lmao
Have you never spent your spare time contributing to something you care about? I spend time contributing to open source code and Wikipedia, previously I've spent time building stuff to make a local park nicer. I could definitely see myself spending time campaigning for a political party if I felt the future of my country depended on it.
When you're doing something like that, spending time on something you have a passion for together with others, it's typically more fun and fulfilling than tiresome. You should try it some time.
I’m upset too, but there is more than one issue in the world. These people need to put things in perspective. If Trump wins, America is literally over.
So, genocide is a "single issue" which means it should be ignored? How can you hope for any semblance of change if you start by overlooking literal genocide
Just so we're clear, the source for this article is an anonymous post to Medium that claims to be from 17 staffers.
This is not "news"
https://medium.com/@BidenHQforCeasefireNow/dear-president-biden-we-need-a-ceasefire-now-f48b732b2433
And it didn't even provide any evidence that volunteers were quitting in droves.
Gotta love the abusive-relationship mechanic from the dems.
"Yes, I'm a toxic piece of shit, but without me you'll be starving on the streets. So stop complaining, make me a sandwich, and tell me you love me. Now."
And anyone suggesting that maybe they should leave anyway... is smeared as just wanting to drive victims into homelessness and prostitution.
If you want people to vote for you, be good enough to vote for on your own merits.
If you're struggling to get votes despite your opponent being literally Trump, then you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
It's only because Democrats are so shitty at cannidate choice that we got trump in the first place
Bold of you to assume they aren't propping up unpopular candidates on purpose.
Hmm, let me see. Ceasefire in a country that has nothing to do with us and doesn't effect us in the slightest
OR
We elect a literal fascist who actually admitted he will be a dictator and use the military against his enemies at home
Tough choice
I'm sorry that pushing for Biden to be a better person is such a problem for you. Trump is a monster, but that doesn't mean we should ignore everything Biden does and pretend he's perfect.
I don't see anyone pretending Biden is perfect though?
I see a whole lot of people saying "a sane rational actor instead of a fucking psychpath and his cult."
You're in survival mode. So calling on the better of two options to condemn genocide and call for a cease fire is a waste of time?
I guess you have to compromise your morality to survive, but damn...
When the implied threat behind that call is letting the fascist wannabe dictator into office, yes it's a dangerous waste of time.
I'm a Palestinian here in America and I feel fucking violated by how many people are ready to let me hang by the klansman's rope on the excuse of being mad about what Israel is doing to my cousins in the Levant.
Meanwhile the man they're supposedly so mad at for his inaction has been pressing Israel on de-escalation, negotiating prisoner swaps, and negotiated Gaza the right to access their own offshore natural resources to use the revenue for their own development.
Biden at his worst is doing more for the Palestinian community than these supposed allies of ours are doing at what they insist are their best.
What else is there left to conclude except that vote hostagers prefer Palestinians dead rather than living, dead Palestinians don't call them out for enabling the circumstances that let Israel and racist Americans get away with tormenting and killing us.
that doesn’t mean we should ignore everything Biden does and pretend he’s perfect.
who is doing that? where?
In a letter published Wednesday on Medium, an anonymous group of Biden’s campaign staffers demanded the president call for a ceasefire in Gaza
Surly they couldn't be lying about being campaign staffers, could they? I suppose they have to remain anonymous to protect themselves from violent and deranged Biden cultists.
The letter was organized by campaign staffers. Five of them confirmed the authenticity of the letter to West Wing Playbook. Those staffers, who were granted anonymity because of their concern of backlash, said they were motivated to organize their letter out of a sense of moral responsibility.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/03/biden-campaign-anonymous-letter-israel-hamas-00133705
Nice try though to ignore the issue.
You should have posted the Politco article instead of the Newsweek. You are even citing the Politico article! The Newsweek article is hot garbage.
"Fake news!"
This smells like #WalkAway psyop bullshit. Anon letter on Medium as a source, lol please.
The letter was organized by campaign staffers. Five of them confirmed the authenticity of the letter to West Wing Playbook. Those staffers, who were granted anonymity because of their concern of backlash, said they were motivated to organize their letter out of a sense of moral responsibility.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/03/biden-campaign-anonymous-letter-israel-hamas-00133705
Nice try though to ignore the issue.
I jumped to conclusions, at least someone has confirmed it's legit. Wasn't ignoring it but the astroturfing "Anon outside any verifiable or published source says" is a problem that keeps recurring.
They are entitled to their opinions, and I'm not even in disagreement - the entire conflict is an abomination and horrendous... but I'm curious who they'd vote for otherwise. No one worth talking about in US politics would chart a different course.
It's good to see that people are putting pressure on Biden to do the right thing vis-a-vis Israel and Gaza. I think it's the right thing to do and I've been so disillusioned to see American democracy reduced to a booster contest between soulless ghouls that must never be challenged or questioned™.
It's not at all surprising to see toxic, bad-faith rhetoric deployed in his defense, tho. If there's one thing I can count on from the Dem establishment is that when faced with unsolicited input from young people, out comes the reductionist rhetoric about how anything that isn't ball-slobbering of their candidate and whatever the party has handed down as its agenda is a vote for fascism.
As it did in 2016, the Democrats are going through energetic disagreements over their future direction as a party- and as it did in 2016, the establishment is going to have to decide whether it can afford to alienate its younger/leftier constituency in order to chase votes to the center
A group of staffers working on President Joe Biden's reelection campaign warned the president that his volunteers are quitting "in droves" over his handling of Israel's military response in the Gaza Strip.
“A group”? Two people said a thing? Well lets blast it out there like it’s fuckin’ true! FFS.
This is a garbage article. Newsweek is digging for clicks and does not give a shit about America. Just like all the corporate news sewers: CNN, NBC, ABC, WaPo, NYT who covered Trump relentlessly and repeated whatever insanity he spewed as if he were not a demented rapist fraud who can’t stop lying.
Fuck newsweek for this, whatever they are now is just twitter with a masthead.
The letter was organized by campaign staffers. Five of them confirmed the authenticity of the letter to West Wing Playbook. Those staffers, who were granted anonymity because of their concern of backlash, said they were motivated to organize their letter out of a sense of moral responsibility.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/03/biden-campaign-anonymous-letter-israel-hamas-00133705
Way more than two people. Nice try though to ignore the issue.
well he fired all the staffers who admitted to cannabis use even though he promised not to
hard to work and get the job done with someone who flip flops on everything he says probably quit too
Which makes sense. Campaign volunteers tend to skew younger, and the younger demographic really cares about the Israel/Palestine debacle.
But, again, what are they going to do? Campaign for "no President has done more for Israel" Trump?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/16/politics/trump-american-jews-israel/index.html
But, again, what are they going to do? Campaign for “no President has done more for Israel” Trump?
Not campaign at all. Which I'm sure someone here will interpret as being identical to campaigning for Trump.
Per Biden himself, there are 50 others who can beat Trump. So, if Biden withdrew his candidacy- like he promised he would last time, there’s zero risk.
In fact, I would say not doing so is the greater risk.
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