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Ukraine plinking a Russian GPS-jammer with a GPS-guided bomb. Ukrainian drones blowing up Russian drone-jammers. Ukraine’s cruise missiles striking Russian air-defense sites whose missions include, you guessed it, shooting down cruise missiles.

Russia’s 23-month wider war on Ukraine has seen a lot of ironic, darkly-hilarious clashes. The latest was also one of the quickest between setup and punchline.

On Tuesday morning, Russian media announced the deployment, to Ukraine, of Russian forces’ latest high-tech counterbattery radar. A few hours later in southern Ukraine, the Ukrainians blew it up ... with artillery rockets.

The irony deepens. In theory, a Russian Yastreb-AV radar would help to protect Russian troops from Ukraine’s American-made High-Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems launchers—its HIMARS. Now guess what the Ukrainians used to destroy that first Yastreb-AV.

That’s right: HIMARS.

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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 156 points 8 months ago

What a novel way to detect artillery

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

I'm picturing the droid in rogue One

There's some.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Send some guys to run out screaming "I bet the artillery can't hit me" with targets on their backs.

[-] INeedMana@lemmy.world 143 points 8 months ago

What’s as big as a house, burns 20 liters of fuel every hour, puts out a shit-load of smoke and noise, and cuts an apple into three pieces?

A Soviet machine made to cut apples into four pieces!

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 96 points 8 months ago

Now they know there's artillery. Test successful.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Next they're gonna test for cruise missiles again.

[-] FishFace@lemmy.world 94 points 8 months ago

The counter-battery radar doesn't prevent artillery from working; it makes it dangerous for them. Theoretically the units that took this out could already be destroyed after having had their coordinates calculated and counter-battery fire immediately called down on them.

In practice it was just setting up, having been tracked to its location, and possibly wasn't working yet. Also the GMLRS rockets fired by HIMARS are not ballistic - they execute a counter-battery-confounding turn. And the salvo is fired quickly after which the vehicle immediately leaves - it can park, get ready and fire a full salvo in under a minute. When the first rocket is detected a couple of minutes later, the launcher will already have driven off and counter-battery coordinates will not be that useful/

[-] frezik@midwest.social 50 points 8 months ago

To add to that, this war has shown the importance of shoot-and-scoot. Towed artillery with long setup and teardown times are too vulnerable to drones. Might be the end of an era for towed artillery.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 9 points 8 months ago

On the other hand the artillery mounted on trucks seems to be quite effective.

Stuff like the Caesar can park, fire 6 shells and leave in less than 3 minutes.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

What? Ukraine is effectively using towed artillery, Russia isn't really using anything effectively so there's an argument for them I guess.

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[-] Anarch157a@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Even if it was fully operational, Western artillery used by Ukraine is more precise with longer range than Russian, so they can target the ruskies with less risk.

[-] mrfriki@lemmy.world 81 points 8 months ago

It detects artillery, it doesn’t deflect it.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago

Ironic, he could save others from death, but not himself

[-] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Just like rain on your wedding day...

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Probably had a great view the whole way in. I'm silly laughing right now thinking about some Russians just watching this missile come in on an old ass CRT monitor.

[-] 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

You see, this is why the westoids always underestimate the glorious Russians. Even when their system is hit, it is still reporting the artillery by sending a smoke sign that is visible for kilometers - we never stood a chance

[-] Sconrad122@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Lifelock marketing department salivating at this new ad script

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 68 points 8 months ago

Apparently Russia called for a meeting of the UN Security Council to complain about Ukraine fighting back

LOL no fair when you fight back, it's violence! /s

[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

They called it terrorism even lol

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[-] Ibex0@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago

It would be better if Ukraine was regaining territory.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago

Why? Because they're defending against massive waves of badly trained unsupported conscripts right now with extremely favorable loss ratios?

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Because ultimately, Ukraine cannot support a stalemate forever. Eventually, they'll lose international support and just won't be able to replace the troops.

Even a casual history buff would understand Russia is culturally willing to accept losses far beyond what any other modern country(with the exception of China) would ever consider or whose populace would support. Russia has historically thrived in attrition scenarios.

Honestly, their only real hope is for either Putin to die and resulting political shake up to be favorable. Or to start winning decisive victories and force Russia to the table (more unlikely).

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

It's not a stalemate, though. Russia is suffering way more attrition than Ukraine. That said yes things would look nicer if western support was more extensive, though then you also have the issue of training capacity on the Ukrainian side. But it's not like Russia is winning in the current situation, currently Putin is holding out in the hopes of US support collapsing which, in his mind, would mean western support drying up (because something something they're ruling us or something. KGB minds also run on geopolitical realism). The opposite would happen: That'd prompt the EU to switch the economy into first war gear (which will be plenty), not just because it's the right thing to do but also because it'll be the only way to keep the Poles from putting boots on the ground right away.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 points 8 months ago

The problem is, Putin doesn't care.

Yes, they are suffering way more losses, but they still got plenty of troops to throw against.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 7 points 8 months ago

The Russians have gone through the conscripts. They've gone through the criminals. They're now on to Ukrainian PoWs and international conscripts.

The Ukrainian force is still Ukrainian.

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[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

One step at a time. It’ll take time for the blyats to figure out this shit isn’t worth it.

[-] kumatomic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago

Preferably all the way to Moscow.

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I don't know, I rather favor self determination, which is why I stand with Ukraine.

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[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 51 points 8 months ago

Well it was very successful in detecting artillery

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Artillery attractant

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

What's the status of the artillery detecting radar?

Well, sir, it's a good news/bad news thing...

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Clever russians, detecting artillery fire by the explosions on their equipment!

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] teft@startrek.website 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I was a counter battery radar operator. The systems I used 20 years ago had these neat things called electronic counter measures. I guess russia never got the message that it's not a smart idea to radiate in a zone with anti-radiation missiles.

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The Russians are actually pretty good at EW and invest a lot of effort into it, but it's possible that a new, detectable freq pattern got a lot of attention.

e.g. the AFU EW picks up something that is detectable above the noise floor and sends a drone to look -- what is this weird radar sig? Drone sees something and they get a strike setup.

Plus we're only seeing the blow up, it could have been killing M777 and CAESAR crews for days till it ate a HIMARS strike.

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[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 32 points 8 months ago

Lmao, love to see it

[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

I just saw the clip of the thing getting deployed, then getting blown up real good. It was awesome.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago

well, don't keep a thing like to yourself. if you have links, bring enough for everyone!

[-] citizen@normalcity.life 19 points 8 months ago

You can deduct two things from this:

-Russia is not as big of a threat as propaganda depicts it

-Spending trillions in "defense" is useless

[-] Inky@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If even a small fraction of Russia's nuclear arsenal is functional then they are still incredibly dangerous

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[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

Let's spend trillions on offense for Ukraine instead! Help them take back Crimea and make Russia afraid to go on conquest again.

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

-Spending trillions in “defense” is useless

Who knew that skimming money off the top at every level will leave you with nothing but a shell of a military?

[-] Syo@kbin.social 17 points 8 months ago

Russians engineers are hardcore, they really go all out on systems validation.

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

And many more Conscriptoviches, Korruptnikovs, Korruptoviches and Korruptovs are going to get sent into the insane stalemated meat grinder that is the "special military operation".

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Good gunners those Ukrainians

[-] toasteecup@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago
[-] yannic@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

Anyone else, here read, the title in Christopher Walken's voice?

[-] quinkin@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Well I have now.

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