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while it seems everyone else says 'happy christmas'

which imo is a way better phrase, it's very ... pragmatic. happiness is more attainable than merriment. how often is anyone merry?

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[-] ndru@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

Merry Christmas is a popular expression in the UK too.

I think that merriment is actually much easier to attain than happiness. One could be miserable in life, but have a few drinks and be merry.

[-] phorq@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

Is it wrong for me to say that the pessimism with a side of alcohol is the most British you could possibly describe being merry?

[-] ada 37 points 1 year ago

Who is "everyone else" in this story?

The only place I know that days Happy Christmas is the UK

In Australia, it's merry

[-] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I'm from the UK, and I've always said merry.

I doubt it's any more prevalent in a specific country and more likely specific to individual families and friends.

For example, i always thought it was an american thing to say happy christmas.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Definitely not an American thing. It's ALL Merry over here.

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[-] ada 5 points 1 year ago

Either way, happy and merry Christmas to you :)

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[-] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

In the US, it's incredibly rare if not impossible to find someone who says "Happy Christmas." It's either "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays."

[-] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Personally, merry Christmas just sounds better than happy Christmas. Something about the repeated "m" sound, I think.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

That's called euphonics, and I agree

[-] TheMongoose@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago

The song goes “We wish you a merry Christmas”, so that’ll always be there for as long as the song is popular.

Plus (also because of the song, I assume), you say “merry Christmas and a happy new year”, not “happy Christmas and a happy new year”. Too much happy there.

[-] berkeleyblue@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Tradition, mostly.

Dickens used Merry Christmas in his Christmas Carol and the US used the greeting since the 19th century.

In the UK however, happy christmas is more common as the royals used that phrase.

There’s apparently no big thing behind it. Just the way language evolved with different influences in different regions.

[-] Breakyfix 26 points 1 year ago

am from uk. merry christmas is very much the common phrase here by a long shot

[-] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Agreed - it's merry christmas and happy new year.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

The vast majority of Americans don't even know that 'merriment' is a word. They just know you're supposed to say 'Merry Christmas.' That's it.

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

AND IF YOU DONT SAY IT YOUR WOKE RAAAA

[-] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The great irony there being "happy holidays" is from the Old English (language, not malt liquor) for "happy holy days."

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[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In my country we say "Have a good Yule".

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

Well your country is wrong.

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Nä, julen är äldre än kristmässan.

[-] odium@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Crazy how easy it was to understand that sentence perfectly without speaking any Nordic languages

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[-] Wodge@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
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[-] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Insofar as there's a distinction between the two, I feel like you've got it switched. Merriment would be a night out with drinks and friends, whereas deep happiness would be more like contentedness with your life choices. But they're about the same. Plus "A Christmas Carol" uses Merry, and it's like the ultimate Christmas story.

[-] JoYo@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Around here we wish you a homosexual Christmas

[-] Xtallll 7 points 1 year ago

AKA: make the yule time gay.

[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

We like to brag about our ability to still pronounce the R sound.

Similar to why Brits say Happy Christmas, honestly.

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol no. You yanks can’t pronounce the R. The only real R is a rolling R. If your tongue is not tapping and vibrating against your palate you are not pronouncing an R.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Stupid comment. You're referring to the Spanish R, or in a language with a similar R sound.

Imagine if a French or German person told you that their R is the only way to pronounce the R.

This kind of misguided gatekeeping is exhausting.

[-] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Dude it was a joke. The first comment was a joke, and the reply was a follow-up "no u" joke. I'm sorry you can't read into subtext without /s

Also, Spanish R? Have you not heard of Scots? It's called apical-alveolar trill, and I wish i could pronounce it better lol

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Oh. Teehee. All good then. Happy holidays fellow lemming.

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[-] TulipanJones@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

If Americans aren’t pronouncing an R, then what letter are they pronouncing?

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[-] sab@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

There's a slight chance I could be convinced to accept the french R into the company of real R sounds, but I agree the rolling one is where it's at. The American one is something special.

[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Merry Christmas" is pretty much the only context I see my fellow Americans use the word "Merry" other than deliberately trying to sound upper class British.

[-] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Canada says Merry Christmas even though we usually do British spelling and measurements.

Also, the north pole is either in Canada or Russia (not going to look it up) so we are probably correct.

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[-] donuts@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

The only people I've personally known who exclusively say "Happy Christmas" are Irish. Are you Irish, OP?

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Automatic response. Nobody that I am close with is actually happy (or even fine), but when staff asks you in greeting if you're having a good day and did you find everything okay, you know they are bullshitting the "I'm doing well, and yes, thanks". Same sort of automatic bullshit response.

We are living paycheck to paycheck (some not even that), with slowly rising levels of debt, in dead-end jobs while the earth slowly boils us and rich fucks get richer. In tight-knit circles, suicide is often discussed openly and often, and death is welcomed. My best friend recently told me that (if they die before me, as if lol) when I attend the funeral, if anyone suggests that they had a happy life, I am to punch that person in the face, without hesitation.

Life is pain. But it's so much quicker to fake that your existence isn't hell, so lying to people in ways that doesn't matter is way easier.

Happy holidays.

[-] MonsterMonster@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

UK here... Merry Christmas, yes. Happy Christmas, yes. Happy Holidays, no, no, no and just for effect no.

[-] GarrulousBrevity@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

What if you don't intend to see someone before New Year's and want to wish them a happy New Year as well, while being lazy?

I really don't get this hatred for "Happy Holidays", because even if you want to discredit the non Christian holidays in December/January, there are still two...

[-] donuts@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I think some people (usually right wing Americans who watched too much Fox News back in the 2000s) are opposed to "happy holidays" because they don't want to acknowledge other religions.

And then there are snobby Europeans who hate and avoid the phrase because it sounds "too American".

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[-] uriel238 5 points 1 year ago

I think Merry Christmas is a harken to antiquated dialect, much like other religious phrases. Thou shalt not kill or Thy will be done or extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Happy Chrimbo

[-] oo1@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Merry also means drunk - at least in common British English.
Therefore it is quite an easy state to attain either from the offy, or a few pubs tat are also open for a few hours in the afternoon.

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