You mean Israel lied?
Shocked Pikachu face
Now don't expect any outrage from world leaders over this. In classic "Iraq has WMD" fashion we're just going to shrug and say "well they're there anyway" and move on with our lives.
Israel didn't lie, the Washington Post did. Probably for sweet Qatari ad money.
One of the tunnel rooms had a recent air conditioning installation deep under ground.
International media coverage has been trash and doesn't even bother anymore.
After the Shifa hospital director bold faced lied about the generator configuration why should anyone take their denials seriously. The IDF left 300L of fuel for them to run their (N) ICU which according to openly published research on their hospital would run their two generators for over a day. The currently under arrest director claimed it would barely last 30 minutes. There's another hospital director now on record about the hospitals being used for torture and command centers. There's also security footage of hostages being brought back to Shifa. Several hostages' bodies were recovered from the Shifa complex area.
Not to mention it's been a fact Shifa was used like this for going on 10 years if not longer. Western media only pays attention when there's Qatari ad money floating around.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-hospital-director-admits-hamas-used-medical-complex-as-operational-hub/ here's it on a record that international news media doesn't even bother to watch before publishing libelous bull shit to get literal slave state Ad dollars.
Times of Israel is just one of the many propaganda funnels that the Israeli government uses. That doctor admitted to the accusations while under duress.
It's an independent left leaning and credible news media organization that is anti the Israeli government.
You would know that if you actually were educated on the region and paid attention.
That exact article was removed from the World community for being pro Israeli propaganda bullshit, you can check your comment on that post (I just took a look at your post history) and you will see that it was removed.
It's not propaganda bullshit but it's good to know the mods are removing factual reporting that don't match their feelings.
It's just makes you all less credible.
Claiming Times of Israel is pro government is peak stupid.
If you want to do more than just shout and point fingers, show us some examples of TOI reporting on the ongoing genocide that doesn't just repeat the government's position.
You can literally just go read the live blog.
Yea the ongoing attempted genocide of Israelis sucks.
Good thing the military response is halting it. Shame about all the human shields and child soldiers. The UN needs to not be allowed to run the schools to prevent it from happening again just like Germany.
Times of Israel
bruh
You really think everyone is a hive mind?
Ah yes. The independent, left-leaning credible propaganda mouthpiece for a fascist right-wing terrorist state propped up by the western money faucet. Please indulge us with your regional education that is no way relying on regurgitated talking points from Joseph fucking Goebbels.
I guess if a site with a name like "Media Bias Fact Check" says it, they couldn't be biased themselves.
It's actually a fairly good site. Not 100% factual and unbiased but close.
Yes, the guy who wasn't director at Shifa hospital currently sporting a long sleeved padded jacket who's just been interrogated by the Israeli army is definitely a reliable source.
The guy who was a hospital director at a different hospital and no one is denying that. The guy who is an officer in Hamas.
The guy who was a hospital director at a different hospital and no one is denying that.
And yet, this article is about Shifa and the IDF's 'reasons' for targeting it. Reasons so flimsy they failed to find a command centre under it, failed to find a significant amount of weaponry and doctored video evidence to make their case look better.
The guy who is an officer in Hamas.
Again, a claim made by a guy just interrogated by the Israeli's.
Hey, how's the overtime pay there at the hasbara shill farm?
Good?
The original article is better than this hot take on it, although it seems to make a lot of assumptions as well:
While the underground tunnel uncovered by Israeli forces after the raid does point to a possible militant presence underneath the hospital at some point, it does not prove that a command node was operating there during the war.
The article admits there were likely militants under the hospital, which I believe would make it a legal target. I'm not sure why it would have to be a, "command node," which is what this article seems to focus on.
The Post mapped the path of the tunnel by geolocating the excavation sites within al-Shifa and analyzing the videos frame-by-frame to determine the network’s directionality and length. The Post then superimposed the tunnel routes on the original map released by the IDF on Oct. 27 that it said showed the full extent of Hamas’s command and control infrastructure.
Now this is the most interesting claim the article makes, that the footage IDF released does not prove that the tunnel networks they showed footage of connects to Al-Shifa. It still might, but the video does not conclusively show that. US intelligence sources agree with IDF's assessment, but they aren't sharing their sources so I suppose the credibility of this depends on one's perceived credibility of US and Israeli intelligence agencies.
IDF released video footage showing spokesman Jonathan Conricus walking through the radiology unit. Behind an MRI machine, he points out what he calls a “grab bag” containing an AK-style rifle and an ammunition magazine.
Photos released by the military later that day purported to show the full haul of weapons recovered at the hospital — about 12 AK-style rifles, in addition to magazines of ammunition and several grenades and bulletproof vests.
The Post was unable to independently verify to whom the weapons belonged or how they came to be inside the radiology unit.
So they have evidence they just don't have the full backstory of how the guns got there. I'm not sure how they would expect the IDF to establish this or why this diminishes the evidence.
IDF published an additional piece of evidence: security camera footage showing armed militants leading two hostages through the hospital on Oct. 7 — among some 240 captured during the assault on southern Israel. One appeared to be wounded and is on a gurney. It was not clear if the hostages were taken to the hospital for medical treatment or other purposes.
Hostage-taking is a crime under international law. But “misuse of the hospital five weeks before the IDF operation does not bear on the legality of the IDF operation,” Haque said.
Oh it doesn't count because they brought hostages there a little while before the bombing? Please.
After arresting the hospital’s director, Ahmed al-Kahlot, Israel released an interrogation video Tuesday in which Kahlot admitted to being a member of Hamas and said the hospital was under the control of the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, the group’s armed wing. In response, Gaza’s Health Ministry said the statement was made “under the force of oppression, torture and intimidation” to “justify [Israel’s] successive crimes, especially against the health system.”
This seems pretty damning, despite Hamas' denial. I have seen no evidence that this confession was obtained by illegal means.
All of this together certainly makes it seem like the hospital was used by militants, despite the article's skepticism. They just gloss over this and focus on anti-IDF conjecture.
You sure are giving IDF/the original source a lot of leeway, especially their expansive track record of flagrant lying and dehumanizing propoghanda.
And ultimately you argued for a hospital to be bombed under the idea of a "legal target".
They basically said "Someone was there once. Bomb the fuck out of those kids."
Only if you're so reductionist that you remove all relevant context, nuance, and ignore most of the evidence.
I'm guessing it was more of a "this is justifiably a military target, let's maximize collateral damage."
Amnesty International concluded facilities in the hospital grounds were used for extrajudicial murders and torture by Hamas. Not a justification for the actions, but the hospital seemed to have some overlap or use by hamas.
Another BS analysis. Facts don't like the feelings of these reporters.
One of the tunnel rooms had a recent air conditioning installation deep under ground.
International media coverage has been trash and doesn't even bother anymore.
After the Shifa hospital director bold faced lied about the generator configuration why should anyone take their denials seriously. The IDF left 300L of fuel for them to run their (N) ICU which according to openly published research on their hospital would run their two generators for over a day. The currently under arrest director claimed it would barely last 30 minutes. There's another hospital director now on record about the hospitals being used for torture and command centers. There's also security footage of hostages being brought back to Shifa. Several hostages' bodies were recovered from the Shifa complex area.
Not to mention it's been a fact Shifa was used like this for going on 10 years if not longer. Western media only pays attention when there's Qatari ad money floating around.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-hospital-director-admits-hamas-used-medical-complex-as-operational-hub/ here's it on a record that international news media doesn't even bother to watch before publishing libelous bull shit to get literal slave state Ad dollars.
Writing it twice doesn't make you any less wrong. One of the hospital directors you referenced as admitting to Hamas using the hospital as a control center, did so under interrogation (see: torture).
You can see the video and he wasn't tortured.
Huffing gas doesn't make you any more right.
It's almost like there's literally hundreds of these deflectors spilling the beans now.
It's almost like there's literally hundreds of these deflectors spilling the beans now.
Prove it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/shin-bet-interrogation-hamas-rcna125748
Here's a western source.
The times of Israel reported that the shin bet has done over 500 interrogations as of a few weeks ago. You know all those pictures of detained PoWs?
You're aware that Israel has a policy to censure any outgoing news articles involving the military, right? Western sources don't make a difference if the source has to get an OK from the Israeli military first.
You know Mr. Fabian is an independent reporter posting on telegram as things happen?
They censor actual military reporting. This is a video of an interrogation.
You know western reporters also get censored in Ukraine and on US operations too? Ukraine doesn't even allow reporters on the front line at all.
The censorship is to limit military hardware positions from being geolocated.
You can also poll the Arab minority and you might not like what they have to say https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/
You're not pro Israeli, you're pro child murder and genocide. " Israel's Arab minority" is just Palestinian identity erasure with extra steps.
It's sad when this quality of comment gets upvotes. May you one day understand the other point of view without resorting to monstrous accusations and name-calling; I suspect if you were in Israel's position you'd feel differently.
if you were in Israel's position you'd feel differently
I don't need to worry about that because I don't go around murdering families and creating irreconcilable enemies.
Yea you do Mr probably American.
You say that like you didn't grow up in New York.
I don't quite get how a person can find themselve in a position of a country, but bear in mind that sometimes a country starts going around murdering without much asking its inhabitants
Do you go around defending yourself and your loved ones from hordes of murderers next door though?
And how did you end up with people who'd like to murder you next door? Did you maybe, I dunno, steal their land and kill their loved ones?
This comment is the equivalent of wearing a bowtie and trilby to a nightclub, and trying to convince the bartender that you can make a better martini than they can. With a dash of genocide denial.
No what’s sad is that you are so desperate for validation from useless pretend internet points.
Good riddance to a made up nationalist identity then.
It was always ever Soviet propaganda anyway you all consumed. The Palestinian state lives on in Trans Jordan Palestine.
I'm Palestinian. It can go now. We prefer the term Arab Israeli with a super majority now.
You would know that if you even lived there or knew anything about the history.
Here's a former Hamas minister
The evidence is overwhelming that Hamas used the hospitals for military purposes.
These pro-hamas guys don't care how many videos of militants firing rocket launchers for hospitals, how many actual Hamas members corroborate it, or even the weapons found there.
You can wake someone who's asleep but not someone pretending to sleep.
How many times can this boy cry wolf before people stop taking him seriously?
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