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[-] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 166 points 11 months ago

Team owners: "We're just humble billionaires and we care so much about your state. The team is part of the community... Now subsidize our massively profitable business or we'll move the team."

I'll never understand why fans are die hard loyal to franchises that screw them at every possible opportunity. Insane ticket prices, seat license fees (which are somehow different than tickets?), insane concession prices, ads on everything- it hurts my brain.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'll never understand why fans are die hard loyal to franchises that screw them at every possible opportunity.

Because for many people it is a core part of their identity, without which they wouldn't have much outside of work and sleep

[-] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Seems crazy. I think professional sports would be so much cooler if the community had stake in the team and got something out of winning/profits.

It's just so weird to attach your identity to a team that you are in no way a part of, other than the location.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 22 points 11 months ago

The Euro Leagues system

Your local team gets good enough that you have a team then there are stakes

NA leagues don’t do this because they are entertainment not competitive products

[-] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I'm not a huge football/soccer fan, but I love the concept of promotion/relegation. Around here if you have a losing team you get rewarded with a high draft pick. It's a strategy to be terrible.

I also would love having lower level teams to watch, but that's pretty rare. If you have a pro team in your city, you probably don't have a semi pro team with the exception of baseball.

Maybe that's why so many people enjoy watching college sports. Although I have my own issues with that scene, because of course I do.

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

What’s the state of community sport in the US ?

In the UK we have the same mindless billions in Soccer, but there is still (just about) a good level of community sport, like semi pro and below, where you can watch for almost nothing then go the bar after the match and drink with the players.

You don’t get the same athleticism and artistry (from overtrained genetic freaks) But you still get brilliant entertainment, drama, fun moments with your tribe. Etc.

Community sports is where it’s at.

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[-] hexual@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Nailed it. This is especially true with football in the UK. People are literally born and brought up with the expectation of supporting a certain team.

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Bread and Circuses

“You will not believe this 2000 year old strategy, that still works today!”

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

That's why history is so interesting. People today are exactly the same as we've always been.

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[-] angrymouse@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As a non north-american I never understood this franchise system. How could you cheer for a team that will move anytime to a city more profitable? In Europe and latin america, if your city sucks, is becoming poor or so, the team will fall to the second division and will deal with that cause they are from that city, cause they are a club, not a franchise. For me this makes much more sense.

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

As much a love to bash the yanks, it’s not just them any more .

You could take any of the top 10 brands in European football, move the stadium anywhere in the world, and no one would notice but for a handful Of die hards.

If Man City moved to Dubai tomorrow, would that really surprise you ?

If Real Madrid moved to Florida , Liverpool to Beijing, ? Your left with 10,000 pissed off locals, but that’s nothing when you’re a global brand.

[-] angrymouse@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You have a great point, but for me it is still too much conjectures, but looking to theses conjectures I still disagree. Moving to another country would destroy those teams, cause they aren´t just the teams, Liverpool actually is a global brand but it is the Liverpool that plays in the premier league and have their rivalries, leaving UK would mean leaving all these parts of the brand behind. It is also a very different scenario, those teams in US move to other cities in the same country and still compete in the same tournament keeping a lot more of their previous brand.

For me your example would be much closer to MLB, NBA, NFL and MLS if you thought about Liverpool goint to Bristol, for example. In this scenario I can see better your point but I still think that the club would lose a lot of their capital and the brand would suffer with the ridicule of the situation for the average football fan. But it is just another opinion based in my previous opinions.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

seat license fees (which are somehow different than tickets?)

What the actual fuck is THAT bullshit??

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[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

it hurts my brain

those players brains will be hurting from concussions

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[-] eclectic_electron@sh.itjust.works 124 points 11 months ago

But the stadium will bring so much economic benefit to the city! Well get at least 4 new fast food restaurants hiring only minimum wage workers, and a small boost in hotel revenue!

Transit won't bring any return on investment. Only poor people use transit and they don't have any money. And if someone who has a car does use transit that's hurting the economy! Think of the poor gas station owners and car dealers!

/S /S /S /S /S

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

This is actually pretty accurate to how big oil, auto manufacturers and sports owners who are friends could operate.

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[-] doingless@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago

The Cincinnati streetcar cost almost exactly $150m and it serves like 0.5% of the metro population. It runs a 3.6 mile loop, that's just over a 1.5 mile walk from one end to the other. I can walk it in 20 minutes.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the sentiment of the post. We need to invest in public transit. Where I live there are zero non-car options. But don't pretend you're building comprehensive public transit for $150m.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 42 points 11 months ago

It runs a 3.6 mile loop, that's just over a 1.5 mile walk from one end to the other. I can walk it in 20 minute

Well fine if you want to brag I guess but most Midwesterners would need defibrillators and a fast food chain or two along the way to make this trek, and it ain't taking 20min.

[-] doingless@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Okay you're not wrong about most people. I saw a post in a couch to 5k thread recently about getting to running 14 minute miles. I can walk 13 minute miles. But the I-275 loop that circles Cincinnati is almost 90 miles around. The streetcar covering less than two miles of the city is still not helping the common person.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

City street cars seem to be a waste of money now but more trains would be nice. They never invest enough in it.

I live in Atlanta. We have a shitty street car and a shitty train system. They don't go to enough places to be useful most of the time. But if they got the same kind of funding our stadiums got it would be crazy good. I could ride the train instead of driving to most places if they just expanded to some more parts of the city.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

CAD 180 millions for a 35km long express bus lane where I live...

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[-] SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

150m can do a whole bunch when you use properly rolled out busses, with their own lanes (and you can initially paint these if the budget is low). People driving their car on the bus lanes will nicely generate additional tax income (fines) and if the busses are good, the people will come.

Even in the Netherlands, where we have really good trains on even a European scale, we still have long-distance busses (comfy ones, for 1-2hr trips) and regional busses (still comfy, but those are 20-30 min trips). Custom infra doesn't always cut it, especially when repurposing existing infra will serve the job just fine.

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[-] malle_yeno@pawb.social 44 points 11 months ago

I agree with the sentiment of this post, but these numbers are silly.

$150m would barely build a bus fleet transit system, nevermind the maintenance, operating, and personnel costs for the fleet (and completely forget about actual long term transit solutions like rail at that cost figure).

And $1b stadiums are outliers -- our city got into controversy over our stadium which costed around $250m. Not many municipalities are loaded enough to be getting into billion dollar capital expenditure decisions.

[-] silverbowling@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

you could absolutely build 1 or 2 decent rapid bus lines for that money, as well as pay for a few years of operations. but…. 1 or 2 rapid bus lines, while nice, certainly doesn’t make for a comprehensive system.

[-] CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 43 points 11 months ago

City: spends 100k out of $1B of transit budget on installing barriers for separated bike lanes.

My car-dependant city: tHeY sPeNt ToO mUcH oN bIkE lAnEs

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 19 points 11 months ago

My city painted lines in the road, and people still bitch about it 3 years later, the lines are almost gone from fading and chipping, and cycling is still dangerous due to some traffic specifically targeting them for harrasment.

[-] CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago

Paint is not a substitute for infrastructure.

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[-] robotopera@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

People are freaking out about that in my city while the $500 million dollar highway interchange right next to it gets no attention.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

People have no idea what things cost. Stadiums are cheap.

150 million dollars in a major city might be enough to open a new Walmart. Forget about a comprehensive transit system.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Raiders and Rams stadiums each cost over a billion and have been built in the last 5ish years. Stadiums should and can be cheap but the NFL owners aren’t doing that. Vegas is also tearing down the Tropicana to build a massive and expensive baseball stadium in its please with a smaller Tropicana on the site as well

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah, plus 10/16 stadiums on the Wikipedia page for most expensive ones are in the US.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 11 months ago

It cost £200 million (£327m at current prices) just for 14km of tram lanes in my local city.

It could buy a decent amount of buses (~£200k each, more for green options), but without infrastructure changes and bus lanes, have fun watching them sit in traffic while everyone refuses to use them.

Shit's expensive yo.

[-] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Not only they aren't cheap, but they are pretty much never profitable. If we are to build things that are not profitable, we could as well build something that will offer a service to the population, like public transportation.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 28 points 11 months ago

"Oh BTW, we gave the stadium to some wealthy dude, and he'll keep all of the money the stadium makes. Don't worry though, your tax dollars will pay for the upkeep.

[-] GreenEnigma@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Owners pockets only have an in door, no out door.

Your money becomes their money.

[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

What city size can justify a $1 billion stadium and pull off comprehensive public transit for $150M?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

What city size can justify a $1 billion stadium

Could have just stopped there. The answer is none regardless of the rest.

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[-] disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Do you live in orbanistan (hungary) here we have 2 big stadiums 200m away from each other, and having 10000 person stadiuma in a village where 1800 people lives...

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[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago

And, they act like stadiums are going to"drive economic" activity instead of creating dead zones in cities.
You know what would guarantee increased economic activity?
People being able to easily get to jobs and shops.

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

Stadiums drive economic activity into city government officials pockets.

[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Even then, only in a shortsighted, politically deceptive manner. Taxation driven by sales in a thriving hub with free transit also pads the budget. But, taxes are unpopular and people like sports teams and arena shows and overpriced shitty beverages. They give the bigger dopamine hit.

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[-] Jeanschyso@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Oh, someone lives in Québec city lmao!!

[-] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I was going to say Alberta, lol

Edit: I know the $1.22 billion is just for a new arena in Calgary, but it's a big part of it for sure

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 19 points 11 months ago

The problem in my town is the homeless people ruining the trails and parks. I feel bad for them but they will fill a park with tents and shit on the pavement

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Where would you have them go, exactly?

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 27 points 11 months ago

And now you've found the problem. There are many non profits helping them and making sure they aren't starving but many of these people come from other places and have serious mental health issues.

There is habitat for humanity which is building houses with the idea that having a shelter and a shower can get people off the street. Its a cool project.

[-] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Commending your humanity, friend. It's hard to see the problems that people like the homeless can cause in our day to day and not feel reproachful or angry. Even if I know the reason, and can empathize with the situation, it doesn't make the interactions any less jarring or frustrating when they're clearly in need or more assistance than they're getting and that lack is harming them AND the community they need to rely on for survival.

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[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

On one hand, where's the affordable housing? On the other hand, where's the access to affordable mental health programs?

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago
[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Seattle voted down T Mobile park twice and the city still found a way to push it through lol

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