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A German foundation has said it will no longer be awarding a prize for political thinking to a leading Russian-American journalist after criticizing as “unacceptable” a recent essay by the writer in which they made a comparison between Gaza and a Jewish ghetto in Nazi-occupied Europe.

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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 274 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The hypocrisy of the Heinrich Böll Foundation (and the German government in general) is incredible.

Here you have a Jewish person who is a journalist and a renowned political thinker who was being given the award for being someone who "reports on power games and totalitarian tendencies as well as civil disobedience and the love of freedom".

They 100% have the position, right, and accuracy to be comparing the state of Gaza currently to the WWII ghettos.

Edit: Something else to note. The Foundation made this statement ""But Masha Gessen's views should not be honored with a prize intended to commemorate the Jewish philosopher Hannah Arendt".

And I can't help but laugh. Do they not know Arendt's past stance on Israel? She was literally one of the first world-renowned Jewish anti-Zionists.

She literally compared the Likud party to the Nazis!

[-] forty2@lemmy.world 85 points 10 months ago

I literally just finished reading this piece, and it provides so much context to this ridiculousness

[-] jopepa@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

1948, too. Lived context.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 75 points 10 months ago

This is the real, actual cancel culture, and usual suspects are silent, as expected.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

Do they not know Arendt’s past stance on Israel?

Partly jewish, German citizen here. I'll answer this for you. No, they don't. They never worked out their own history. It's all just teathre.

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Hannah Arendt would be punished as antisemite in today Germany. What a cesspool that country is becoming once again.

[-] detalferous@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

That is incredible

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

What's an extreme ideology without revisionist history?

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 165 points 10 months ago

Hannah Arendt prize for political thought

Genocide Expert Award Rescinded After Genocide Expert Compares Genocide To Genocide

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 108 points 10 months ago

Huh, the IDF is currently pushing Gazans into smaller and smaller areas by not allowing them to evacuate through their lines and forcibly removing civilians who didn't evacuate.

They also plan to maintain the blockade they've had on the strip that heavily restricts people and material from moving.

What historical parallel could there possibly be to this situation?

Oh well. Better not listen to the guy who studied it hard enough to earn the award in the first place.

[-] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Also, that award for political thinking? We're taking that away because we don't like the thoughts you're having.

[-] julianschmulian 83 points 10 months ago

I‘m German, currently living in Switzerland and when I recently visited Germany I was appalled by the amount of unconditional support for Israel, for example a HUGE (maybe 10x10m?) israeli flag on the offices of the Grünen party and official posters calling for solidarity. I don‘t even think this is stemming from (however undifferentiated and misguided) historical considerations, rather than geopolitical considerations. Also on the subject of the article, I think that‘s a pretty apt and carefully done comparison.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 36 points 10 months ago

I feel this really is because of plucking the historical guilt strings and "if you're against Israel's actions you're an anti-semit"

But I am not in the know of the local German situation, so might as well be a wrong impression

[-] pufferfischerpulver@feddit.de 12 points 10 months ago

Pretty much. It's incredibly tiring

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 24 points 10 months ago

As just some asshole in America, the fierce blind support here seems to come from one of two places:

1- good old racism. just like the Irish, Italian, etc before them, jews have their "white card" with the bigots especially when the "enemy" are darker.

2- Religious nuts who think war around the holy land = the second coming and are going to root for anybody who keeps the war flowing.

[-] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

What bothers me just as much is the Tagesschau app. It takes absolutely the same stance. There is no nuance. There is no objectivity. The reporting has a very opinionated view despite reading neutral.

[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 10 months ago

I wonder if in 100 years we'll be looking at Israel like we look at Nazi Germany nowadays.

[-] SattaRIP@kbin.social 47 points 10 months ago

Well, if history is indeed cyclical, then in a 100 years Palestinians will have their own ethnostate and oppressing a different peoples. My guess is Kurds. /s

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 10 months ago

Not likely. Conjuring new nations out of former colonies isn't really doable anymore.

[-] pufferfischerpulver@feddit.de 11 points 10 months ago

In a 100 years it might, after our current world order has been consumed by the effects of unimpeded climate change. There's hope yet for the Palestinians to have a go. /s

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 10 months ago

Damn, I forgot about climate change. I don't do that often these days.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

You'd think supporting the west supporting Nazi's comitting genocide would never be doable anymore yet here we are.

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

100 years from now the MENA region will be uninhabitable due to climate heating and I doubt that anyone will want to visit it in some spacesuit.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

In a couple decades we'll pass a non binding resolution condemning the genocide of Gaza and pat ourselves on the back for doing the right thing. Then we'll pass another military aid package for Greater Israel.

[-] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

If they end up losing.

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

Germans learned nothing from their Nazi past. Still love censorship and still love to consider some lives more important than others. They'te just acting like an Israel's colony now.

[-] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago

I think Germany has actually accepted a lot more responsibility for the atrocities they've committed, compared to nearly every other European nation guilty of colonialism and genocide. I have British friends who were taught almost nothing about Britain's colonial past in school, while every German has to learn about the Holocaust in school.
In a way I understand Germany's reluctance to compare a Jewish ethnostate to Nazism, considering what they did to the Jews 80 years ago. But I think that comparison is completely justified and Germany should know better. Israel is an apartheid state, and Netanyahu is one Auschwitz away from being just like Hitler.

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

They did accept responsability, but in itself has no value if they cannot raise their voices against another genocide that is happening right now. Totally agree with the res you say.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 10 months ago

It still has value if it stops then from committing another genocide themselves. But yeah, they could be doing a lot better.

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah, it is not. Defending who commits genocide is not what you'd call a "stop".

[-] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Yeah I completely agree. They know better than anyone what fascism looks like, and the fact that they choose to do nothing is sickening.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

The lesson learned doesn't seem to have been that killing large numbers of people because of their etnicity is bad, but rather that killing large number of Jews for their etnicity is bad, but doing it to members of other etnic groups who are still seen as untermenschen is fine.

Basically (and forgive me the racist terminology but I think is representative) they've just reclassified Jews as "whites, like us" and carried on approving violent racism against those they see as "not like us".

Fascism might have been kicked out of Germany, but it seems to never have left the hearts of the German elites and many of its people.

[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

100% accurate

[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Honestly what timeline are we on. I wonder if they've even asked themselves "are we the baddies?".

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He's not wrong. Been saying this since week 1 of this new stage of the conflict. Others have been saying this for decades.

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

In the paragraph the HBS draws attention to, Gessen wrote that “ghetto” would be “the more appropriate term” to describe Gaza, but the word “would have drawn fire for comparing the predicament of besieged Gazans to that of ghettoized Jews. It also would have given us the language to describe what is happening in Gaza now. The ghetto is being liquidated.”

Not taking sides here, but it does seem to me like Gessen's phrasing was deliberately provocative towards those who might be offended by their comparison. I'm left thinking, "I mean, if you kick a beehive, don't be surprised if you get stung."

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago

Let's start with the basic premise that German institutions don't get to have a fucking little opinion about what a Jewish person may or may not say about the Holocaust.

[-] julianschmulian 7 points 10 months ago

I agree that she‘s displaying a lot of self-awareness here and I‘d like to point out that this doesn‘t make her comparison any less warranted

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

This must be the kind of stupid thinking they do in Germany I suppose.

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[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

I'm sometimes fine and sometimes flabbergasted with this german response. Can anyone tell me if they teach about the germans killing roma people in concentration camps as they found them? The murder was mostly about one group of people, but there are things you can learn from other minorities being persecuted.

I'm sometimes fine with it because, well, at least nobody in Germany is shooting fire extinguishers at menorahs like in Poland.

[-] bunnyfc@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago

yes they do (am German) but politicians are dancing on eggshells with Israeli behavior and the antisemitism-accusations

imo, uncritically supporting what the Israeli government is doing hurts the rememberance of the Holocaust - how can you sell 'never again' when civilians have to suffer like this?

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago

The murder was mostly about one group of people

Funny how people focus on the final solution and completely ignore Lebensraum...

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A German foundation has said it will no longer be awarding a prize for political thinking to a leading Russian-American journalist after criticising as “unacceptable” a recent essay by the writer in which they made a comparison between Gaza and a Jewish ghetto in Nazi-occupied Europe.

In the paragraph the HBS draws attention to, Gessen wrote that “ghetto” would be “the more appropriate term” to describe Gaza, but the word “would have drawn fire for comparing the predicament of besieged Gazans to that of ghettoized Jews.

At the time it stated that “as an analyst of decline and hope, Gessen reports on power games and totalitarian tendencies as well as civil disobedience and the love of freedom”.

Supporters of Gessen, who is Jewish, and whose grandfather and great-grandfather were among family members murdered by the Nazis, have been quick to point out the irony of suspending a prize awarded in memory of Arendt, the German-born Jewish-American historian, philosopher and antitotalitarian political theorist who coined the phrase “the banality of evil”, in connection with the trial of leading Nazi Adolf Eichmann, which she covered as a journalist for the New Yorker.

In an interview with Die Zeit published on Tuesday, Gessen spoke of the backlash Arendt had faced as one of Israel’s initial critics, warning against establishing a purely Jewish state in Palestine and in so doing excluding the Arab population.

In an open letter written with Albert Einstein and other Jewish intellectuals in 1948, Arendt had, Gessen pointed out, even compared the Israeli Freedom party to the Nazis after they used racially motivated violence against civilians.


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