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[-] dr_scientist@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago

Two things here. I was forced to go induction when I moved house about fifteen years ago, and I love it. It's just better than gas. I'm terrible at many things, but I'm a good cook, and I can say, there's nothing I can do - nothing - that isn't better on induction. Admittedly, not crazy about the waste of new things, but even so, worth it.

Also, turns out, Big Natural Gas lied to you. It's dangerous (which the article states). This is a carrot and stick. I'm all electric, and working on solar soon.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Agreee, and a third thing. Gas usage for cooking is so small, it's really a non-issue.

Gas usage for heating is the big one we need to curtail. Having a culture war on cooking ranges is a distraction.

[-] chrizzowski@lemmy.ca 28 points 11 months ago

It's not a distraction so much as it's the bait. Gas cooking gets the utility serviced to the building, which enables the gas furnace vs electric heat pump conversation. Gas furnace is cheaper up front, so that's what goes into suburbia.

Builders and developers will always do the absolutely cheapest thing possible to stay competitive, and will only do better when they're either legislated to or consumers demand it. Home builders associations lobby to keep minimum requirements ... minimal, and most consumers just see pretty showers and big kitchen islands, so this is why we still build houses like it's 1980.

Always amuses me how many people care about gas mileage on a $50k car but couldn't give two shits if their $2m home is efficient.

Source: I'm a home designer who frequently has this conversation and that's usually how it goes down.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Then you are living in an area that is running a bit behind.

Once you electrify heating, no one is going to pay for a gas line in new construction.

We (Netherlands) had these conversations go down like this 5 years ago. Now, no new home construction is running a gas line.

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[-] SpaghettiYeti@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Weirdly, I'm in the opposite boat. I have solar, I grew up with an electric oven/stovetop and my previous house had an induction stovetop. I hate, and I mean hate induction and electric for stovetops.

My new house has gas and it is just the best. I love cooking on my wok, my pans heat up in no time, and I feel like I can gauge and control the heat better.

Yes, air flow, exhaust, and air purifying is taken into account to use it safely too in my home.

[-] intelisense@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If your pans are taking time to heat up, you probably had resistive plates, not induction. Induction is FAST - fast to heat up, but also fast to cool down. It's very similar to cooking on gas.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

They probably had glass-ceramic. A lot of people confuse those for induction, since they basically look the same when it's off: a black glass plate.

When it's on, the glass-ceramic lights up and becomes red or purple, while induction stays black.

Induction is faster than gas. I have never met anyone who prefers gas to induction after using induction for a while.

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[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 7 points 11 months ago

Try curved induction plate. Wok doesn’t work with flat induction plates because the moment you start moving it, you’re not heating it anymore.

Induction is objectively superior in heating speed and heat control. But if your cooking technique doesn’t work with it, the previous statement is meaningless.

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[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 74 points 11 months ago

this is why big gas is cranking up the propaganda on stoves. induction stoves are better, don't believe them

[-] sxan@midwest.social 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I didn't have a gas stove until I was in my late 40's. I will not willingly go back to conventional electric. Gas stoves are better. Finer control, faster temp changes (esp. when decreasing).

I'd be willing to try an induction stove. They're rare in the US, but my limited experience with them was positive. Not quite as nice as a gas stove, but miles better than an conventional electric range, and good enough that the easier cleaning would tip me over.

You mention propeganda; it's odd that the only propeganda I encounter is the anti-gas kind. It's non-stop on NPR and social media. I haven't heard or read a single pro-gas piece.

Edit: I think you were only talking about induction, so I changed some phrasing.

[-] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Gas stoves are better. Finer control, faster temp changes (esp. when decreasing).

Gas stoves are better in some ways, but “finer control” is debatable. If you turn the knob from 0 to 10, it’s obvious that the energy output is non-linear. On my stove the flame has like 50% of its increase between level 2 and 3 or 4. You also have a more narrow range of heat with gas. That is, the lowest setting has to be high enough that the flame does not blow out, so the min heat is higher than the min level on electric. Electric also gets hotter than gas on the high end.

With electric you get precise control. Power level 5 gives exactly half the heat energy that 10 gives; power level 6 is exactly triple the heat of power level 2. You don’t get that precision with gas. You can only eye-ball it which means harder to get reproduceable results.

You probably meant to say gas gives you /immediate/ control. Conventional electric is quite slow, but induction is fast.

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[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I haven’t heard or read a single pro-gas piece.

Right-wing media apparently. Not American, but from what I gather if you watch NPR, you're a communist and a homosexual. So that means you won't be watching real American media like Fox News.

Stuff like this from a member of congress:

"I’ll NEVER give up my gas stove. If the maniacs in the White House come for my stove, they can pry it from my cold dead hands. COME AND TAKE IT!!"

https://twitter.com/RonnyJacksonTX/status/1612839703018934274?t=ptxUxaAhqE1ax8FwY15cyA

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

GF was a professional cook for 15 years, still prefers our induction stove to the gas stoves she worked on all this time.

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[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 34 points 11 months ago

When people think of electric stoves, they think of resistance not induction. If people had more experience with induction, I'm sure they'd be less resistant to the change.

[-] 0xtero@kbin.social 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

But this is America, they still use checks...
They're so controlled by their corporations.

[-] VubDapple@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Give me a digital transaction without fees and I'll give up checks. They cost less to accept.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

Lulz, fees on digital transactions, is it the 90s again?

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[-] systemguy_64@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

This should be required watching for every moron who claims gas is better.

If you need that instant temperature drop, remove it from the heat??

Also, induction is even better. Hopefully they become affordable and not priced like fancy appliances in the next decade.

[-] glencairn84@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

The main advantage for gas isn't speed, it's control. I have both gas and electric, standard halogen etc type stoves are junk compared to the fine (also instant, consistent, and reliably easy to gauge) control that gas hobs provide. Not to mention a very even heat . But I agree modern induction finally provide that similar level of control (though the one induction hob I've used, while excellent granular control, did seem to heat unevenly requiring the pan to be regularly turned to avoid one-sided burning).

[-] baru@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

did seem to heat unevenly requiring the pan to be regularly turned to avoid one-sided burning).

That's due to the heating area being incredibly tiny on various crappy induction stoves.

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[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

IKEA has induction cooktops for like $600 or 700 bucks. They're made by Frigidaire and are backed by a 5-year warranty... If you buy from home Depot that same Frigidaire cooked up, you could only get a 1-year warranty. Otherwise it's the same exact product.

Okay, the price went up a little bit:

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/saerklassig-induction-cooktop-black-20462066/

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago

People here seem unaware that there exists a 3rd option that isn't either gas or induction - a ceramic hob is electric, heated coils under glass, but you can use it with any pot or pan, so there's no need to spend all that extra money replacing all your cookware, and the hob itself is cheaper too.

[-] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

And they're terrible at cooking: any change in temperature, including heating up takes a ton.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

They've served me perfectly well for over a decade.
The difference in supposed quality wouldn't be noticeable to most while the difference in cost definitely would be. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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[-] yildo@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

I like my 2012 electric stove. I don't notice any difference in cooking experience when I use my parents' gas stove at their place, except the flames require more aggressive ventilation

[-] calypsopub@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Not unaware, just not mentioning it as an option because it's so inferior.

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[-] NZV65572@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Induction is great, switch 1 yr ago. Most cookware works, not just cast iron.

Pro tip: if want to know if your pan works with induction, take a magnet and see if it sticks to the pan. If it sticks, it will heat!

[-] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

Some non-magnetic cookware can still be used on induction heaters

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[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago

Spent the first 1/3 of adult life with gas and the latter 2/3 with electric. It's not hard to adapt cooking methods. Food still comes out just fine. It also makes one more adept at cooking when say, traveling and having to use who knows what terrible stove/cooking object.

I'd much rather figure out how to adapt to an electric cooking device that I could 100% self-power if need be, than continue to use an explosive cooking device pumping chemicals I don't want into my home because the natural gas companies don't processed the gas to remove them.

Gas had a place in homes in the 19th and early 20th century when we didn't know better, not anymore.

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[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

How many tons of co2/methane are emitted annually from residential ovens and ranges?

I feel like this number is small and am curious if anyone has chased this rabbit.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.0c00437

Electrifying everything but the gas stove means keeping the entire gas distribution system, which leaks like a sieve.

[-] BulbasaurBabu@lemmings.world 8 points 11 months ago

Well why are they building them out of sieves?

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[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago
[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

I cut our gas line 2 years ago from our house! Feels good. Also didn't want to have to invest in a seismic shut off gas valve.

And the heat pump gives us air conditioning, which is a win-win.

[-] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

I love induction, myself, but if you need a flame, there's countertop burners to help with the transition. No need to pipe gas through the whole city. There was just a gas explosion in an empty house (two days after closing!) down the road from us.

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