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[-] DoctorNope@lemmy.world 209 points 1 year ago

Pfft that’s stupid. Everyone knows millennials prefer to rent because settling down just doesn’t fit our lifestyle, bro.

Plus we aren’t “handy” enough to deal with all the work of owning a home.

Just kidding, it’s because we’d rather be driving for Uber or something, I don’t know.

Point is, we’re just lazy, entitled, inept children.

[-] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 152 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sadly, Millennials aren’t handy. Baby boomers are famous for the idea of being able to fix it themselves. If the dishwasher broke, they fixed it. If the carpet needed cleaning, they cleaned it. They enjoyed doing these tasks on their weekend. That is not the case with Millennials. They don’t care to understand how to fix something.

These are the same people that can't use an iPad unsupervised without somehow getting tricked into sending $2k worth of bitcoin and their SSN to a scammer.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago

Boomers invented using several different screws in a device to make it unfixable, and then making sure it broke in a year or two

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, the shit they fixed was generally just a motor and some bearings, maybe with some simple electrical switches. Everything was simple and made as durable as possible because that used to be a selling point.

Modern appliances are specialized computers with moving parts that are designed with cheap, flimsy pieces that are only meant to last until their warrenty period runs out. One minute after that and its all "replacement parts? You mean call our service dept or buy a new one, right?"

Lots of boomers fixing modern machines out there? Somehow I bet they are still talking about that one time in 1983 when they changed out the belt in a dryer that had 6 parts total and had been working for 23 years. Yeah, congrats. You did a simple thing to a simple machine.

Being the guy who owns a truck (work truck, I'd love an electric work van or teleporter since we're now in fantasy land lmao) I went with my parents to pick up a new washer and dryer for their house.

While wandering around one of those "we fixed this broken used stuff, and are now selling it to you at 70% original price" , the old guy behind the counter kept talking mad shit about how people my age don't know how to just fix something, and the whole time I'm looking around at verious appliances, I notice something pretty obvious.

All this shit is old, extremely simple, or the only issue was clearly cosmetic and was likely purchased as part of a defect lot. No smart devices, no sensors, not even microwaves. Just things exactly like you described, a belt had broken, or some very simple swappable part needed swapped.

I asked him when the last time he fixed a computer was, or the last time he worked on a car from after 2010. Because I do those all the time, and never see people his age working on their own stuff, they always come to people my age. So maybe let's just get along with our business and try to show off on our personal times, huh?

He thought that was hilarious, and I wasn't intending for it to be rude so I just chuckled with him and went about loading everything up.

Honestly I love working on older things, and I like working on my truck because of how simple it is. My truck is from the 90s, and while it's about half the size of modern trucks, I've always wanted a smaller one like an old Ford ranger or even some of the smaller pickups from the 60s/70s. If I could do an electric swap within my budget limitations on one of those, I'd be soooooo thrilled. Modern EVs are too complicated for me now. I can do electronics work, but damn.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago

Boomers created the current system where you can't "just fix" your dishwasher. The old dish washer at my parents can be fixed with a screw driver and a ¢25 washer from home depot. The newer ones are all glue, one way plastic clips, and stickers that say it can only be repaired by a certified repair shop. I get kinda what they are saying but the change didn't happen in a vacuum. I used to repaired computers for a living and I noticed year after year computers became more difficult to repair. For most laptops you can't just open them up and swap out bad parts. It's all glued together and has micro components that need to be resoldered to the motherboard. Great for size but impossible to repair outside of the manufacturer. I mean for fuck sakes their are billion dollar military equipment that can't be serviced without the manufacturers help. It's all a scam to keep us dependent on corporations.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 25 points 1 year ago

The pixel watch is so bad that if you crack the screen, Google tells you to throw it away and buy a new one. Apparently even Google themselves can't repair that.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Proper watches >>>> wristphones

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

My parents' washing machine broke when I was probably like 8 or 9. I helped my dad fix it over a weekend; it cost like $20 and took us a few hours over the course of Friday and Saturday, not counting a couple of trips to the hardware store. We didn't need much in the way of tools other than a Philips screwdriver and a socket set. That washer is still working today, 30 years later.

Contrast that with the washer I bought when we moved into our home five years ago. It broke a month ago, and I didn't even have the tools required to open it. The defect was with the motherboard, the tech discovered; and it would cost $550 to get a replacement made since the part was discontinued three years ago. That replacement would be ready in a month. Or I could spend $600 to buy a new machine.

We live in a very different world.

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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago

That last article comes sooo close to figuring it out.

Finally, renting allows millennials to live in more desirable or “happening” parts of cities that would otherwise be cost-prohibitive for home ownership.

That sure sounds like a fancy way of saying we can't afford to buy houses.

[-] EddieTee77@lemdro.id 23 points 1 year ago

I thought we couldn't afford a home because we bought too much avocado toast?

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

And Starbucks. Remember had we invested in Starbucks instead of buying it, we'd be bagillionaires like heroes Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos who totally got rich the same way.

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[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 107 points 1 year ago

A boomer I know blames young people being in house debt because "they all buy houses with quarts and granite counters, hardwood floors and heated tile floor bathrooms. They skip the starter homes and go right to the forever homes".

He doesn't consider the fact that no one is building starter homes anymore. Everything has heated tile floors, granite counters and hardwood floors because the contractors are demolishing all the older "starter" homes to build luxury houses and 55+ only condos to sell to boomers who throw all their money at it. There's no profit in building starter homes anymore.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Around me all the 55+ condos are dirt cheap and price controlled, while the regular condos and sfh are 2-3x price. So, when the boomers want to downsize they can just sell their that the vigorously fought to keep zoned without density to a millennial for a huge profit and then buy a cheap condo (conveniently dense and conveniently 55+) and live off the rest of the proceeds. It’s as if the boomers get to use their kids future earnings as a piggy bank for their retirement. It’s the same story with offloading the climate change impacts of their gluttonous lifestyle to their kids as well. They really did pull up the ladder.

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

At least in our area, most of the starter homes were purchased and then completely redone internally to fancy up and then flipped. All of the homes went up about $100,000 at minimum because of people trying to profit off the housing market.

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[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Ehhh, I disagree with this a bit. People are still putting LVP instead of hardwood in new builds, with granite instead of quartz countertops, and no fancy heated floors, and the cheapest carpet they can find at Home Depot. I feel like most new builds I see going up are more on the "starter home" side of things, but maybe it's an area specific thing.

The real problem though, is even these cheaper options still end up being unaffordable.

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[-] Gork@lemm.ee 101 points 1 year ago

I was going to but then I saw an avocado toast and now I can't afford a house. Silly me.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wait, why didn't you get a 34k gift from your grandfather to buy your first property, like avocado toast dickhead did?

Youre just doing it wrong, bro

[-] DannyMac@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mmmm... Avocado toast sounds yummy... Here I go again wasting money on silly things like food. I can't help myself 😭

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago

Obviously, everyone just prefers to give their landlord 2/3 of their after tax salary. /s

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Ooh, I feel like rent payments should be pretax or tax deductible and it would help a ton of people out.

Someone tell me why that would be a bad idea, I'm genuinely curious.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Home owners get to write off interest, so us renters should get something.

The real bitch is that I could totally afford a mortgage. I've lived in the same place for 11 years without missing a payment on my rent, but because it's rent it doesn't count towards my credit score, so fuck me right?

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[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Why is it a bad idea? Because it's basically subsidizing landlords. Instead of paying for public infrastructure you'd be helping out landlords to increase the rent, since you know, you have more "disposable" income

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[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Obviously it was because we were trying to kill the housing industry.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago

GenX here. Why haven’t I bought a house?

[-] Agrivar@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Probably the same reason I didn't - waited too long, and missed the window of affordability.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

It was a quick window that's for sure.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

And here I thought they wanted to live with their parents until they were 40.

[-] tryplot@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago

ah, you see, the trick to getting into real-estate is to have been born earlier ... and not live in Canada, some Canadian boomers are learning about that requirement now as more of them are choosing to go homeless rather than pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

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[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago

This is one of my favorite genres of journalism. See also: why is everyone so mad about the economy? Meanwhile, the economy: 3 chicken wings, a carrot, and a 1/2 lb of lentils is $37.

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago

Some folks are able to buy a home but choose to rent because they can also afford a landlord that'll actually do the job a landlord is hypothetically there to do and fix the place up if there's an issue

[-] KepBen@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Weird to me how hypothetical a landlord's "job" is compared to, y'know, any actual job.

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[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Wait that's what landlords have to do. Idk how it is in America. But in Europe is pretty much a law

[-] PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

The u.s. mostly only uses civil enforcement. If your landlord isn't upholding their end of the contract then the contract is void and you can move somewhere else. There's rarely any mechanism to make them do anything.

[-] Two2Tango@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago

It's law in Canada too, but the Landlord Tenant board is so backed up with complaints that you'll have to wait ages for a response to anything but emergencies

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Actually this does make sense, because remember reading articles about how Millennials and gen Z we're not buying groceries or eating out, which led to some article writers wondering if younger Generations even ate food.

The boomers are believing their own PR department about how lazy we are, they think that if we just walking to an office somewhere, shake the manager's hand, and just cut back on whatever it is that brings us joy, that this surplus of cash will just come flowing in and we can buy a house.

Like they really don't get it, I remember watching an old video where they were interviewing Generation X and Baby Boomers about why they thought Millennials were broke all the time, and the answers were just ridiculous. One guy who I just could not get out of my head, gave the answer that we were all lazy and trying too hard to get noticed on YouTube because being a pretend celebrity mattered to us more.

Even though at the time becoming a YouTuber was one of the fastest growing and well-paying careers. Like it never occurred to him that maybe YouTube actually was a job for some people. And it was around that time that Youtube Partnerships were a thing so yeah....

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[-] Skates@feddit.nl 28 points 1 year ago
[-] jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social 16 points 1 year ago

Knock that shit off. Millennials wrote the story, for starters. That journalism degree had to go somewhere.

They probably wrote a perfectly reasonable story about people not buying homes for obvious reasons, and then, like always, some editor with a Master's Degree in Being A Cunt put a clickbait title on it so we'd end up talking about the stupid thing and oh look is that the CNBC brand all over the place? It is. OP even typed it into the title, how helpful.

The last time I chased down one of these shitty meme stories, you know, the ones about too many avocado is why you can't pay rent, I came to the sort of realization you don't have because you just jump in here and have an emotional squirt about the meme.

Namely, the reason so many of these stories seem so fucking absurd is because the "young people" in the news story are specifically the adult children of the wealthy, the actual 1%. So yes, those assholes, all spending daddy's money, are real bad at holding onto a buck and legitimately need scolding.

The target audience for ALL these articles is "daddy", the holder of 1% wealth. Everyone else is too poor and the ad rates are abysmal for that demo.

If the article is in Forbes, WSJ, or Bloomberg then this is absolutely the case. They are talking to genuinely wealthy people about their own wasteful children and THAT is why they always seem to have absurd ideas about how much money the "millennials" have to spend. Their children really do have a lot of money to waste, that's why they can't stop paying $8 for a coffee. I guess CNBC wants a piece of the action, too.

And that's the thing. None of this is about you. None of this is about most of the people reading the article or making stupid Tweets about it.

The typical millennial online has a fairly middle-class upbringing with a college degree for better or worse. Many of them have boss jobs, either holding positions of authority, or just working in the office, and not in the factory, which is a boss job enough.

So they get delusional. The floor monkeys at the factory know that they're "the help", but the college-educated types? They struggle. They delude themselves into thinking this is about them, that they are part of the conversation.

Nope. You're "the help". You may as well be one of the Filipinos in the sweatshop making underwear, you basically do not exist in this conversation, at all. It's a tough pill to swallow as a Westerner with a degree.

So that's why the articles are so "clueless". The people writing them, for the intended audience of wealthy old people, mostly men still, are ignoring you as completely as you ignore the janitor at the mall. You might as well be a water cooler or some furniture to them.

They know why you're poor. They employ you and control your access to money. They have all the records and it was them who made you poor. That's not news. They know why you can't buy a house because they made sure you wouldn't have the funds. Instead, they bought 12 properties to rent this year and decided to lay off 500 people to tighten up the ship. They know why you're fucked, because they're fucking you.

But why their own kids, the wealthy babies of the 1%, are acting all stupid? That is a mystery to them, so they're liable to read news articles about it. They don't think of you as a child of concern, any more than you think of the eggs a housefly lays. You? You just come with the building. You're the help.

Once you grasp that these news articles are aimed way, way, way over even your college-educated, "knowledge worker" head, then a lot of stupidity suddenly makes more sense.

[-] get_off_the_phone@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

Jfc. That was too much. Get to the point. Eat the rich.

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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 27 points 1 year ago

Well they finally connected dots 1 and 2, huh.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

It doesn't help that companies like Blackstone are buying up homes at auction, lightly flipping them and putting them back on the market as high-priced rental properties.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

News flash, the vast majority of people want to purchase a home, not continually rent forever. Yet, many can't even afford to do so. More at 11.

[-] porkins@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

I’m a millennial and own a home and can fix things. I do get experts in sometimes when I am less familiar with the job. What I found was that the previous boomer owner did a lot of things wrong. I can find the code violations, but may need an expert to come up with better solutions. I shadowed my electrician and don’t need him anymore. Still have my plumber in a bit for now.

[-] PDFuego@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

The previous owner of my place "fixed" the front door handle by gluing the mechanism into it. Now if I want to change my locks I have to replace the entire door. Cheers mate.

[-] porkins@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

Acetone removes glue typically. Sometimes, when you think something is glued in hard, there is an extra screw that you missed.

My garbage disposal just broke. Turns out that the previous owner rigged the dishwasher drain in-line after the disposal, so that there is a chance that disposal water can kick-back into the clean dishes. Fixing that currently.

The kitchen hood vents into the attic, so have to fix that. The owner created a nest of electrical wires in the attic as well, so ended up creating a channel for them and organizing them so they are fastened nicely to the joists.

They created an unstable loft in the garage, so had to demo it since it was ugly as well. The list goes on and on.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

swear as a culture we're not just headed toward being only renters, but we're being primed for the cultural dialogue around home ownership to be about what a pain in the ass it is and how renting is just so much better. This weird, Deleuzeian dystopia where the thought of owning land is just completely foreign to most people.

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