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submitted 11 months ago by Stamau123@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

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[-] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 223 points 11 months ago

To everyone cracking jokes about a gay uprising, it's a lot simpler than any of that.

They just want to exterminate the gays. Like literally. They want to find that portion of the population and destroy it, because they think it's disgusting and evil.

That's it. Putin and the Russian conservatives are going after gays because it's an easy win with their conservative base, and they can claim moral superiority. Also distracts from Ukraine.

If you are gay in Russia... Its a very bad time to be gay in Russia.

[-] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 90 points 11 months ago

American "conservatives" are over here drooling at the possibilities.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

This is just standard fascism. They need a constant stream of enemies weak enough that they can't defend themselves. Whom they can paint as responsible for all a societies woes.

Fascism 101. We see Republicans employing that heavily here in the United States.

[-] lattenwald@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

They need a new enemy every now and then. If the current enemy happens to be exterminated, they'll need one sooner, but they'll need a new one anyways.

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago

That's it. Putin and the Russian conservatives are going after gays because it's an easy win with their conservative base, and they can claim moral superiority. Also distracts from Ukraine.

There you said it. They don't care about gay people. They need an easy win with conservative public before future (mock) elections and to distract people from Ukraine. And they also want a weapon to proclaim anyone they dislike an extremist.

Can you prove you aren't gay? Let's see. It'a either you record a video of apologizing for being gay, or we stuff a broom up your ass and you record a video of apologizing for being gay 🤗 Either way, 10 years in a joint.

I've recently seen a good article in a ru-language blogosphere. These pieces of shit who climbed to the power in the 90s and 00s break every ladder to their positions, they want to establish themselves as new nobles, and they need a variety of tools to persecute whoever they dislike. They want the good ol' serfdom. They build it as we speak.

It's not bad if you are gay and noble. Gref, Volodin, others are gossiped to be gay. Rather it's bad to be not in their club, like most do. Then you are in a risk of being persecuted and robbed of everything over nothing.

It's 21th century and neo-feudalism is on the rise! Fuck, I hate it here.

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[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Its a very bad time to be gay in Russia.

I don’t think not being gay changes much in this statement

[-] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

I mean, they are literally mounting campaigns targeting gays now. Maybe it sucks for both but it sucks especially hard for gay people in Russia at the moment.

E.g. Maybe it sucks to live in Mordor. But as a Goblin instead of as an Orc, maybe it sucks especially hard when Sauron starts the "let's purge the Goblins" campaign led by the Orcs.

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[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 144 points 11 months ago

Russia looking a lot like their old enemy the Nazis these days.

[-] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago

Ironically, Russians think they are fighting Nazis in Ukraine.

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[-] pelya@lemmy.world 137 points 11 months ago

When you are losing the war you started.

Blame gays.

When your policies fail.

Blame gays.

When your government is less popular than cancer.

Blame gays.

When you are getting mass protests.

Blame Jews. But Jews have nukes, oops. Then blame gays!

[-] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago

No, Israel has nukes. The Jews have a space laser though, which is better. Netanyahu lost his space laser privileges a long time ago, I could maybe petition the Council to let The Gays have his time slot?

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 27 points 11 months ago

So what I'm hearing is give The Gays™️ nukes....

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

That's one way to create a rainbow

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[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 128 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well well well. I thought Russia said the nazis were in Ukraine. Huh. Funny, that.

[-] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 37 points 11 months ago

"But Vladimir, you were never going to find any Nazis out there! The Nazis were in you all along!"

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Perhaps the true nazis were the friends we made along the way.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 11 months ago
[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago

Sure it can. But that doesn't mean it is.

Oh I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find one or two nazis hiding anywhere, even if they don't identy as nazi or even know what it means.

But Russia, with its actions, have proven themselves to be an imperialist, nationalist, fascist piece of shit. And while both could be true, actions speak louder.

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago

You need to study the subject more closely before stating that (: Slavik nazism is a deep rabbithole, but for the purpose of this article, I compare two governments, and one of them does indulge in that kind of rhetoric more than the other.

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[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 85 points 11 months ago
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[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 81 points 11 months ago

People want to be treated like human beings regardless of who they love? Yes, that’s a dangerously extreme view. Wanting to exterminate them all is perfectly normal, however.

[-] Verito@lemm.ee 26 points 11 months ago

"Seriously? I'm being arrested for being gay?" Extremely gay.

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[-] avater@lemmy.world 76 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ah yeah, the daily reminder that Russia has indeed become the comical evil country as it was always portrayed in Tom Clancys books, if not worse...

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[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 67 points 11 months ago

Hexbear and lemmygrad be like: "Russia is just avoiding a potential color revolution."

[-] Erika2rsis 36 points 11 months ago

Actual quotes from Hexbears that I got when discussing Russia with them:

"Those reactionary shitstains [the Russian government] has little to be proud of."

"Russia is extremly Reactionary [...] thats why Russia has a Real Problem with "White Supremacy" , [and] no problems with hunting down LGBTQ+ [...]"

Now I don't exactly see anybody on Hexbear presently discussing this particular bit of news about crackdowns on LGBT+, but I'll go post about this news on Hexbear and see how the people there react. I have a feeling it's going to be consistent with my previous experiences discussing Russia with Hexbears, which is also going to be the reaction that I'd expect from an instance that skews heavily LGBT+.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 months ago

My experience has been exactly the opposite. They go out of their way to defend Russia and China and will hardly utter a word of criticism against either.

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 66 points 11 months ago

clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services

That's the worst part. Being on any list of this state is a danger. Especially when they want another batch of bodies to once again storm Avdyivka. Hope they can nope-out from all possible traps. It's just... it would be totally spelled out they are here because they are gay, and it means a faith worse than death. Place is cursed.

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

I dunno if anyone is interested but of you got some spare coins laying around the Canadian based charity Rainbow Refugee has been helping get out threatened LGBTQIA+ folks from multiple countries including Russia for quite a while now by arranging sponsorships and legal support and advice for LGBTQIA asylum seekers. If you know anyone looking to get out or would like to donate here's a link :

https://www.rainbowrefugee.com/

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

My daughter is queer and if Trump wins, we will probably have to seek refuge in Canada. I have an uncle there, which will also help, but this is a good resource. Thanks.

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[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 11 months ago

Meanwhile "pro lgbtq" hexbears keep licking Putins boots

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 17 points 11 months ago

That's because they're all 12 years old and have no brain. When you talk to them it's quite clear they don't actually know what they're talking about. My favourite thing to do is quote events and dates at them of things that that didn't happen, and most of the time they don't pick up on it.

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[-] ThatFembyWho 34 points 11 months ago

extremist organization

Of course, why did nobody ever think of targetting the President of Homosexual International?! Perhaps a drone strike? I bet he's hiding in a school or hospital somewhere in Ukraine.

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

With everything going on with Russia they still have time for this bullshit!

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[-] soshiny@feddit.de 19 points 11 months ago

First they came for the >!socialists!< democrats, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a >!socialist!< democrats.

Then they came for the >!trade unionists!< journalist, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a >!trade unionist!< journalist.

Then they came for the >!Jews!< Gays, and I did not speak out— Because I was not >!a Jew!< gay.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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[-] uis@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How I spent summer. Essay.

In the morning we with my mom went to beach. There we've seen jellyfish(recognized as unwanted organization, included in the list of foreign agents).

Then it rained(recognized as unwanted organization, included in the list of foreign agents). After rain came rainbow(which is element of extremist movement symbolics).

Also mom showed me memorial in city center. Memorial is included in list of foreign agents, its activity in Russia is suspended by the court's decision

[-] Probertd8@mastodonapp.uk 14 points 11 months ago

@Stamau123 What were they looking for 👀
People who like getting their shirt off?

[-] Szymon@lemmy.ca 25 points 11 months ago

They're creating lists of people and looking into their associated social networks. Do you want to be on a list of people your government has suddenly associated with crime and terrorism because your cousin went to a gay bar?

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