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[-] Granixo@feddit.cl 88 points 1 year ago

Well there wouldn't be that many dogs if you didin't farm them in the first place.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

stares angrily at dog breeders in the US

Exactly.

[-] EurekaStockade@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't have guessed that it was Korean farmers who let the dogs out

[-] MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Didn’t have it on my Bingo card either

[-] GoosLife@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Woo let the dogs out

[-] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 year ago

"dog farmers", holy shit :(

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 93 points 1 year ago

Is that any worse than any other animal being farmed?

[-] teft@startrek.website 80 points 1 year ago

Well the dog farmers hang, burn, and beat the shit out of the dogs before they kill them because they believe the fear and adrenaline improves the taste and makes them more tender....so yes I'd say it's worse.

[-] orvorn@slrpnk.net 57 points 1 year ago

Pigs, cows, and chickens also experience incredible suffering in factory farms. The whole industry is rotted.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

It is, but most of the actual killing in like 90% of the world is done as fast and cleanly as possible. If only to keep the process as efficient as possible.

Fun fact, if you want ethically killed meat (if such a thing can exist), the best option is actually Kosher meat. There are religious laws and such, and the easiest way to comply with them is a sort of guillotine. It's an instant death.

The animals of also generally better treated than most factory farm setups.

[-] Floey@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

A 90% figure that is pulled out of your ass sounds a lot less compelling when billions of animals are slaughtered for food each year. How many is too many? And the killing isn't even the worst part.

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I think halal follows a lot of the same rules as well

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Similar, but in practice it's quite a bit different.

Halal requires a swift cut with a sharp knife across the throat of the animal. Severing the spine is expressly forbidden.

The animal then bleeds out, which can still be a quick death, but nowhere near as fast as decapitation, which is most commonly used in kosher butchery.

The bolt pistol used in modern butchery can also be instant. You place what looks like a pneumatic drill on the cow's forehead, and then pull the trigger. It fires a stainless steel rod forward into the cow's skull. The rod is captive at the end of its travel, so you just have to cock the tool, and you can use it again (provided it's actually pneumatically powered, and not powered by a blank round, or something else, there are a lot of versions, even some that are designed to not penetrate the skull.)

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

https://oukosher.org/blog/news/setting-the-record-straight-on-kosher-slaughter/

This says they don’t, it’s not gospel but, it’s one of the first results.

Not fighting, I just looked more into it because I am that special kind of crazy

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I look that sort of stuff up myself.

Now I'm not finding a source for the guillotine machine... I've seen one in person, and it had a spinning disc blade, because there are Jewish dietary laws that say you can't press the blade into the neck, it must be a slice.

It might also have been a case of an enterprising butcher being inventive and sidestepping the rules...

[-] Overzeetop@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

It’s a weird dynamic. I feel no remorse eating pork or beef. I know the process, I raised farm animals as a kid. BUT, I know someone working on genetically modified pigs for human organ transplants and that makes me somehow uneasy.

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Frankly that sounds like the sort of bullshit I’d hear from Greenpeace.

Even if that were true, have you seen say a chicken farm? Workers will cruelly abuse the ever living shit out of these animals for no reason.

I wouldn’t say it’s worse than…

The chickens at the farm were filmed being kicked, thrown to the ground and having their necks broken for fun.

“I hate it when their heads come off,” one female worker says in a clip.

“Yeah, it feels good, look,” a male worker replies.

“Oh, you’re cruel,” the woman say as a chicken writhes on the ground. The other workers can be heard laughing as they all watch the hen

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/secret-video-reveals-horrific-abuse-of-hens-inside-victorian-egg-farm/news-story/dd429e36eb2e210fc702c78663f6961d?amp

[-] teft@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago

I was stationed in South Korea and saw them with my own eyeballs but you can believe whatever you like.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

In general, predators like dogs are a very inefficient way to get calories. Cattle, for example, have the benefit of turning stuff like grass that we can't eat into something that we can (meat,) dogs on the other hand, largely tend to eat the same sorts of foods we would, so often we could just eat those foods and cut out the middleman

Now dogs are not totally obligate carnivores, theoretically they can be fed on a vegetarian diet, though it requires some careful planning to ensure they're getting the right nutrients, you can't just turn them loose in a field to eat grass and expect to get much out of it, by and large they're going to need to eat the same sorts of food we'd eat- a variety of fruits and vegetables. They can also possibly fed byproducts, scraps, offal, overripe or damaged produce, etc. that is unfit or less desirable for human consumption, but that still adds a lot of complexity to managing their diet, and if animal products are part of the feed it potentially means you need to worry about spreading disease between animal populations, don't want to be feeding your meat dogs on mad cow brains or avian flu chicken bits.

And as you move up the food chain you can have issues with bioaccumulation of toxins like heavy metals. Say from birth to slaughter a cow absorbs 1oz (pulling that number out of my ass) of lead and mercury and such that ends up in its various tissues. Cows are big, you have to eat a lot of cow to absorb that much lead and mercury from eating them. Now let's say a dog during it's lifetime eats the equivalent of one whole cow (again, pulled out of my ass) during it's lifetime. That dog now has that same 1oz of lead and mercury, and dogs are much smaller so it's at a higher concentration in their meat, you don't have to eat nearly as much dog as you do cow to get the same amount of heavy metals.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, arguably one could make a standard based on animal intelligence. Like, dogs are fairly smart, so one could argue that raising them for meat in farm conditions isn't very ethical, and similarly, farming something like, say, a dolphin, might be even worse if someone was to do that, but then that farming much more simple minded creatures like shrimp, bees, mealworms etc would be much more acceptable. A standard like that still wouldn't reflect well on most animal agriculture though given that most meat animals are mammals and birds, which can be reasonably intelligent, especially pigs to my understanding. Though I suppose the conditions of the farm matter too, like, sheep kept on adequate grazing land for their wool probably don't have too bad a life as far as farm animals go, and it's probably possible if more expensive and less land efficient to get milk and eggs from cows/goats and chickens in a reasonably humane way too, since those products don't inherently require raising the animal just to kill it.

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago

Joo Young-bong, head of the Korea Dog Meat Farmers’ Association, said the group would release two million dogs in the capital – especially near significant governmental locations and outside the homes of politicians.

Okay. Now they can hold this dipshit personally responsible for every dog released. He could be financially ruined, spend years in prison, or possibly both.

Tip: if you’re going to threaten the government with what could be considered domestic terrorism, do it anonymously.

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The farmers argued that banning the controversial dog meat from menus across the country would deprive them of their livelihoods.

All make this argument.

People have to decide if "livelihood" is the highest moral priority.

Signed: The Dark Brotherhood

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago

They're going to ruin my family if I can't sell human meat! How can my company Larry's Long Pig survive this travesty!?

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

The ban would take effect in 2027. It seems the idea is that upon it's passing they would simply stop raising new dogs for meat.

[-] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Eating a dog is no different than eating a cow. Meat is meat. If the cow farmers in the US decided to unleash their herds in a populated place it would also be a bad time...

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

It’s carnivore meat.

Meat is the opposite of fish.

You want herbivore meat but carnivore fish.

[-] forrgott@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago
[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Taste wise.

You want to eat fish that eat smaller fish or animals, not scavengers.

With land animals you want to avoid carnivores, especially the livers or you can die from vitamin A poisoning.

Omnivores can go either way depending on diet.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your first post didn't make any sense to me, either, until you explained it, and now it makes sense, although I'd recommend clarifying as "land animal meat is the opposite goal of fish meat" or something like that.

But yeah, I'd never thought about it that way. Interesting.

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Yes! Please! 2 million dogs getting a better fate anyway

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[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah obviously because the author of the article chose a picture that made them look sad

[-] Blackout@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

And not tasty, dam librul media

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I can't imagine eating a dog.

[-] M137@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

How is it different from eating any other animal? And I don't mean that like it's ok to eat dogs, but that you should feel the same about any other animals.

[-] cryostars@lemmyf.uk 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because humans have had dogs as companions for millenia? Yeah I get that as a civilized society we should probably be working toward respecting all species of animals but every time I see this 'how is it different than eating any other animal" argument, I cringe. Because cats and dogs in particular have been domesticated companions of humans for thousands of years. So we see them differently than animals we don't have that relationship with...

[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Humanity has coexisted with cows as well, but we still eat them. Its part of the same reason why cows are revered as holy in India.

There are likely many who look at beef eaters as general westerners look at dog eaters.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Because

  • it is a predator and thus a huge waste of calories
  • It is smart and social
  • People generally like dogs
[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

People make a distinction between pets and cattle.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

This is not the newstory I expected to read today

[-] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Damn, they're gonna turn Turkey into Istanbul.

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