Someone who goes jogging with a concealed gun is just looking for a reason to murder someone. This guy found one. 
In my neighborhood there is a old guy who takes his little granddaughter for walks while open carrying a gun. We live in a very safe suburban area. Some people are fucking nuts and are totally looking for a fight.
What you don’t realize is he’s open carrying to scare the granddaughter straight, she’s concealed carrying and the only thing stopping her from killing you all is grandpa.
The only way to stop a bad grandpa with a gun is a good granddaughter with a gun.
It's ~~turtles~~ guns all the way down.
My neighbor is strapped when he mows the fucking lawn. This is in a neighborhood where zero violent crime has taken place in the five years I've lived there.
Eh, hiking and jogging are actually a really good reason to CCW, especially if you live in a remote area. You also have to think about mountain lions and bears where I am, though. We've also had multiple trail abductions, 2 of which resulted in laws being passed for abduction here.
That being said, I have been sickened by the number of times I've heard jokes like: "This'll give the mailman a bad time", or, "I hope they fuck around and find out." I completely agree, a lot of gun owners WANT to shoot someone.
He had two dogs with him. Highly doubt he's getting mugged or attacked by mountain lions.
I'm not talking about this guy.
I'm not trying to defend the guy, but two dogs would get DRAGGED by a mountain lion.
In the past few years I've had a homeless fellow break into our home pushing my wife down, had one scream at my wife and push my kid, had one follow my kid being abusive, had a crazy with a broken bottle make stabbing motions towards everyone that passes while giggling. We've made do with pepper spray and in my case fists but I can understand a 68 year old dude carrying a gun since he probably can't physically protect himself. His mistake was believing that having a backup plan made it safe to escalate. This made escalation vastly more likely.
Doesn't sound like any of those stories involve a sleeping homeless man on public property though.
Public property means we can all use the sidewalk to get from A to B none of us is empowered to make exclusive use of it by blocking it with our tent, body, or homeless shit. It is perfectly justifiable to ask someone to move and it would have been perfectly justifiable to respond to a flying shoe with an ass kicking or better yet pepper spraying. Proportionality is important. Bringing a gun into it is nuts it immediately escalates it even if you don't intend to fire. You've basically decided its going to be a murder or a suicide.
"Elliott allegedly tried to wake Avalos by nudging him with the pushcart"
That's not asking someone to move, that's using force to try to get them to move. Although I agree public property means we should all be able to use it and no one should block it, I disagree that any individual is allowed to use force to enforce that law. Report such lawbreaking to the authorities, and then simply walk around them.
it would have been perfectly justifiable to respond to a flying shoe with an ass kicking or better yet pepper spraying
After Elliot assaulted Avalos with his cart, Avalos yelled at him. After Avalos yelled at him, Elliot pulled out his gun. After Elliot pulled out his gun, Avalos threw his shoe.
If someone pulled a gun on you after you yelled at them, would you be justified in kicking their ass or pepper spraying them?
In the past few years I’ve had a homeless fellow break into our home pushing my wife down, had one scream at my wife and push my kid, had one follow my kid being abusive, had a crazy with a broken bottle make stabbing motions towards everyone that passes while giggling.
Maybe it's time to take your meds?
That can't even be a comfortable way to jog!
alright time to go for a jog! got my running shoes, sunglasses, headphones, whoops, can't forget the gun!
Or the cart, apparently. Who jogs with two dogs and a cart?
I've seen countless americans claiming that it's perfectly justified to drive over people if they get in the way of your car, so this is pretty on-brand.
Man is almost 70 and still jogging and shooting homeless people while filming it! Must have been a wild life.
He had two dogs and was pushing a cart that carried his gun...
Whatever he was doing, it wasn't jogging.
And him taking his phone out to record himself kicking the other man and yelling at him first, was likely only because he was hoping to antagonize a homeless person so he could "defend himself".
He's got to be one of those idiots who believe the "stand your ground" bullshit.
You can't start kicking a sleeping man and then claim you're a victim, but he's gonna try
That was my first thought, reading the article. There's no way he was just jogging. What kind of jogger takes a cart with them? I've never seen something like that, and I see a lot of joggers in my area.
When the story first broke, most articles called him a dog walker.
Anything to not make it obvious it's another rage addicted boomer I guess
People with children in strollers. Other than that, I've never seen it either.
Absolutely. This is one of the big problems with so many people carrying guns. There are many shitty people looking for a reason to use them.
What a fucking coward, you threw a shoe at me? Time to die!
dehumanization is absolutely disgusting, and it's a core part of this capitalist hellscape
This wouldn't have happened if only the homeless man had a gun! We need to educate the homeless to carry weapons! More guns is the answer!
Well trash has been removed from the sidewalk.
Unfortunate that an innocent homeless man had to die though.
Before anyone says he deserved it for throwing a shoe...
Someone did that to George W. Bush, WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT, and he was simply arrested.
I believe they threw both shoes even!
And this happened in Iraq.
That shoe was a weapon of mass destruction
This could have been avoided if there was a Good Jogger With A Gun
I'm starting a charity... "Arm the Homeless". We can set up arming stations for the unhoused, providing assault rifles and even free ammo for those who run low.
Supposed "good guy with a gun" led to a death that wouldn't have happened if there were stricter gun control.
Arm the homeless!
Clearly he needed to use deadly force to protect himself from that (checks post again) rogue shoe...
Maybe it was an assault style shoe
I've heard it was a semi-automatic shoe with bump stock.
He must have customized it. That model usually comes with a birken stock.
He should have done like W and dodged the shoe. Shit George dodged twice and didn’t shoot anyone. He left the shootings to Dick Cheney.
Wants a guy laying on the sidewalk to move. Naturally, he kills him so he can't move out of the way. Logical.
Apparently, it was the old man who threw the shoe, not the homeless man
Exactly how do you 'nudge' someone with a cart? Is talking to them loudly or reaching down and touching a shoulder really that impossible? (god forbid you choose to go around them, the inconvenience!)
This "well-regulated militia" was legally carrying a firearm. Biden's deep state is charging him anyway!
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