Person 1: Cities of the future will be in space.
Person 2: No, cities of the future will be underground.
Saudi Arabia: T H E L I N E
An ecological disaster
I mean they're literally doing it just to show that they don't have to care.
the whole middle east really
my brother in christ, the USA has spent hundreds of billions-- nay TRILLIONS just on the f35 project
https://fortune.com/longform/lockheed-martin-f-35-fighter-jet/
lots of govts spend money on dumbass shit haha
So we're in agreement lol
And the uae wants to buy them? I don't get your point.
the point is. the f35 is a horribly over budget and unneeded venture. the USA doesn't need it. it's a military industrial complex thing. and you guys in chat going I don't get it... sigh. part of the problem lol. the uae buying them doesn't change the fact we've spent like ten x the budget. also lots of countries buy stuff from us. like the world's number one arms dealer so I don't even get YOUR point.
that's not a success and you're coping lol. there's an odd amount of America simps here lolol
The F35 is a good capable platform, better than the f22 in a couple of ways. Though Lockheed was able to milk the sustainment contracts to be very lucrative for themselves. But it's the most technologicaly advanced fighter ever, brings tons of new capabilities to the US and it's allies, and is very sought after around the world.
Would you disagree? Are you arguing it doesn't work, is too expensive per unit, too expense to develop, or that the US doesn't need it?
I would agree on point three only, because they went into production before validation was finished which turned out to be a bad wager. But the platform itself is still pretty great despite is flaws. Hence why the UAE wants them.
yes I disagree completely. at the current price point out current arsenal is already more than capable than pretty much the entire world bro.
we don't need another fucking fighter jet when there's people in your population struggling with medical debt. with not being able to afford where they live and no means to escape and ending homeless. With schools struggling for funding. with a decaying railroad system and general infrastructue.
seriously all the things and protections that made this country great pre Reagan (well besides y'know blatant segregation) are EVISCERATED and you guys are here giving them a pat on the back for freaking 1trillion plus to a still not complete and fully ready project. and even if it was complete we've FAR exceeded the value. like it's just not needed bro it's greed.
it drives me insane to see this, and how apathetic everyone is. are we ever going to wake up from this madness?
You're talking about reducing military spending in general, not about F35 specifically? I actually agree then. But the F35 isn't a bad bang for the buck for increasing combat power. Are we taking about the F35 or about military spending?
what are you talking about?
BOTH there is no seperating the two!???? the f35 is an example out of many examples of govt over spending. and again the f35 is AWFUL for bang to the buck? what war do we need it for? what are we missing? https://www.defensenews.com/smr/hidden-troubles-f35 btw it's awful it's no secret that it is mid engineered
you're not gonna gas light me into saying that those are two separate discussions when they aren't.
there's no need to like, defend the f35 project. lmao the actual defense industry is aware of its issues.
just trying to figure out where this 'bang for our Buck' is coming from when there no shot were going to sell enough to offset the cost as well as them being buggy and hard to maintain. .you do know the us already has the strongest military BY FAR. It's pointless.
I think you fundamental misunderstand what military spending like the f35 is for. It's purpose is to keep a war (like China invading Tiwan) from happening because the other side knows that it won't do well. A successful system isn't necessarily one that does well in combat, but one that keeps the fight from happening in the first place. Since war is so astronomically expensive, even extremely expensive systems are worth it to prevent war.
Also, compare to other modern fighters. F22 is something like 5x the price, it's 20M cheaper than the f15ex, and is only about 15M more expensive than the super hornet. It offers a high stealth capability at a significantly lower price point and higher quality than the f22.
If you buy into the amount of combat power needed to deter a war (I think it should be much lower than current US estimates, but I guess Russia still managed to miscalculate) then they're a good investment. Any which way, they're a good modern addition to a very high tech fighting force.
Here's more info on the f16 vs f35 tests you might be referencing. https://youtu.be/R_aID6_naNU
Here's a good overview of the f35 and what capabilities it brings to the table. https://youtu.be/7SNALUoybt0
Both by Alex Hollings, award winning aviation journalist.
Just wanted to point out that by TRILLIONS you mean the $1.7 trillion figure. Common misconception, that is the estimated lifetime cost. Lifetime meaning r&d + production of 2000 (?) units for the next 60+ years.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-106047
once again it doesn't even matter the project is still hundreads of billions over budget. also just the fact that we haven't spent the money yet changes nothing.
you lads don't like to differentiate when it comes to actually useful public spending like healthcare initiatives or education reform.
so why should I distinguish here? in fact you're right. that figure will likely INCREASE
keep coping. keep coping that its actually good spending and that its all a okay. keep coping while people die and can't afford healthcare. while logistics companies struggle on failing infrastructure
honestly this has to be a joke if you think it changes anything. smh
I'm done with this convo.
my point is that its fucking dumb pointing out uae when America does dumb things on a much larger scale. we deserve at least 10x edits lmap
also we use slave labor here as well. look into the prisons
you pointing out that 'actually we haven't spent the full 1.7 trillion yet... we're just 183 billion over budget rn and those are just lifetime costs is honestly so dumb and distinction that adds nothing else to the conversation and doesn't change the fact that literal air force pilots hate the damn thing and you guys are over here posturing endlessly
how is this site worse than Reddit lol.
As a Finn, I'm much more glad about this sorta spending than some gaudy buildings
sick whataboutism
keep yelling into the void with this whataboutism bullshit, i see you just reply to yourself over and over lmao.
Anyway, it is absolutely NOT the same, not even because LM isn't the goddamn US gov, but a contractor. The F-35 isn't some wild pie in the sky bullshit that is completely unreasonable so they just throw money and slaves at it. In addition to this, you fail to realize (or conveniently fail to mention) just how much is actually learned from these projects. Does that make it worth it, not on it's own but again that is orders of magnitude different then the projects the UAE push that this meme is referencing.
Lastly, if you actually looked into it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement
The F-35 Lightning II was conceived from the start of the project as having participation from many countries,** most of which would both contribute to the manufacture of the aircraft and procure it for their own armed forces. While the United States is the primary customer and financial backer, the United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands, Canada, Turkey, Australia, Norway and Denmark agreed to contribute US$4.375 billion toward the development costs of the program.**[1] Total development costs are estimated at more than US$40 billion, while the purchase of an estimated 2,400 planes is expected to cost an additional US$200 billion.[2] Norway has estimated that each of their planned 52 F-35 fighter jets will cost their country $769 million over their operational lifetime.[3] The nine major partner nations, including the U.S., plan to acquire over 3,100 F-35s through 2035,[4] which, if delivered will make the F-35 one of the most numerous jet fighters.
Jet fighters are not dumbass shit. Fucking full stop. Just look how impactful air superiority has been in Ukraine. But nah, fuck off right? Just tell all those eastern countries that daddy putin will take care of em. No need to continue to modernize your defenses!
You cry this place is worse then reddit, so fucking LEAVE.
No tast, you say?
No fukn tast at all
This did not need to have a racist caricature
I'm calling out the government for wasting funds and using literal slave labor... and you're more concerned that I edited their traditional headdress into the picture.
If you think the US doesn't use literal slave labor, you haven't looked at how our prison systems operate.
But, nobody was talking about the US tho, where they...
Like I see what you're saying and all. But that doesn't make the UAE less of a bad thing. Also this meme is funny.
How is the US relevant here
Because nihilism is cool!
It's a fair point. Racist caricatures are racist to people beyond the government. It's not okay
Don't really care about the votes, but surprised to see the people at lemmy are racist as well.
But i guess it was obvious anyways, "making fun of Asians and Arabs and non black minorities isn't racism, it's just a joke!"
There's more nuance to this subject than you're implying. It is not the case that either we can't make any reference to race/ethnicity or else Lemmings don't care about racism. Making reference to race or cultural insignia doesn't automatically make something racist.
In other words, there is a middle ground here. Blackface is an obviously hurtful representation of black people that harkens back to when white people saw them as inferior. On the other hand, many middle eastern men wear this particular head covering and there is nothing hateful about it's inclusion into the picture.
But the problem is using the whole ethnicity's cultural wear on a meme about a group of people being bad or evil makes people associate all middle eastern people as bad people.
It's just something our brain does, and that's why it's best not to do it in the first place. I'm sure a lot of people have terrible opinions about certain minorities because their friend or their aunt told them about how one person from that race treated them poorly. People always extrapolate that across the whole race.
See, I agree as well that the government in the post is absolutely awful. But just looking at the picture, it just seems to look like a rather insulting caricature of middle eastern people; even if that was something you didn't do intentionally
I’m gonna make fun of Asians and Arabs ALL DAY and your going to just have to take it, pal
Thanks but i don't care. I'm just making my point.
They 100% did. Rich countries using slavery and other barbaric tactics and methods. Deplorable
And putting on a towel on a head isn't racist, which is imo by intent
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