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TikTok says it’s not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine — The company denied allegations that it has been promoting pro-Palestine content in an effort to sway American opinion::In a blog post, the company denied allegations that it has been promoting pro-Palestine content in an effort to sway American opinion.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 318 points 1 year ago

It's almost like teens see something like a genocide being committed, think it's wrong and say something about it.

[-] hansl@lemmy.ml 159 points 1 year ago

Yeah I don’t think teens are particularly pro-Palestine or anti-Israel.

Teens throughout history have just been anti-war and anti-killing-children.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago

Imagine being a teenager and being against teenagers getting killed. What is this world coming to?

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago

The sheer audacity

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[-] lledrtx@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

IDK, both can be true. Teens might be right in saying something and tiktok might be amplifying that kind of content because it helps China geopolitically. A highly upvoted post on Lemmy literally yesterday was this - https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/13/us/china-online-disinformation-invs/index.html

[-] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 64 points 1 year ago

Tiktok also didn't censor the major protests in France like Facebook and Twitter did at the time.

Theres only a handful of social media outlets. Tik tok is just not suppressing the Pro Palestine content like Western owned media outlets have been.

We speak lots of " free speech " in the West, but look how quick, German, British, American, Canadian government and media spheres are united in calling Palestine protestors terrorists and supporting hamas.

Its just our lack of free speech being exposed when it goes against the powers that be.

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[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

There's a ton of support for the Palestinian people out there. It would strongly appear to be suppressed on commercial social media sites. I can't say that Tiktok isn't amplifying it, but as you poke around on open social platforms that tend to censor less, you see a lot more Pro-Palestine news and content. If you go through twitter or facebook and find specific regional bloggers, the content is out there but if doesn't seem to pass the algorithm

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[-] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago

"You're crazy to believe your own eyes!"

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[-] Pat@kbin.run 115 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Almost like when you take religion out of the picture it's one country committing genocide against another which is never okay for any reason. Israel can scream "but muh anti-semitism" all they want but it's a scapegoat. Ignore Jewish/Muslim backgrounds and look at what's really going on. It's nothing but a disgusting land grab and genocide that's been going on since WW2.

The world would 100% be a better place without Israel, and that's nothing to do with their religion. The country itself is evil and corrupt. They are bigoted and hypocritical. Israel deserves no sympathy or support. Out of all the bullshit I've seen happen in the middle east the past few decades, Israel is definitely the most abhorrent and repulsive source of conflict.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What do you think about Hamas? Why do they exist and what is their actual agenda? Is it really at the very top simply helmed by limousine-riding desert kings in Quatar?

[-] Whoresradish@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Hamas is as bad as Isreal, but they are Isreal's own creation. Most Palestinians don't support Hamas just like most Isrealis don't support their own government. It is two governments trying to commit genocide on the others civilians. Their are no good guys here. Just thousands of innocent civilians being massacred on both sides. The main difference is the US has decided to give one of these governments committing genocide the most advanced weapons available and practically no governments are even trying to help the Palestinians anymore. Not to mention hamas is commiting genocide to take back land the palestinians had a 100 years ago while the isrealis are commiting genocide to take back land they had 2000 years ago while pretending the palestians never even existed and spouting off racist revisionist history.

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[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago

Wow you literally went so "whataboutist" that you actually say "what about" in your sentence.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago

A broken tiktok is right twice a day...

As far as I can tell, neither government here has the moral high ground...and I chose the word "government" there for a reason.

It is my understanding from very far away only able to see through Lie-O-Vision that two governments that hate each other because religion are basically taking it out on civilians who just want to live their lives. It's a tragedy that has basically nothing to do with me yet it does cast my eyes toward my own capitol city with a bit of a suspicious squint.

[-] adaveinthelife@lemmy.ca 68 points 1 year ago

I'm convinced this whole tiktok is manipulating the algorithm thing is actually US propaganda.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's how you actually "manipulate the algorithm."

1: take up residency in the comments, and at the same time start a few basic accts that don't say anything too controversial (day in the life kinda stuff, thirst traps, etc). Establish a basic presence

2: once you amass a following, you start with pretty basic stuff lots of young people agree with - housing/healthcare reform, work reform, etc

3: an important part a lot of people miss - have your own team troll your comments. Stir up shit. The goal is to get people riled up, not move the needle in any specific direction

4: throw out something big (it's been confirmed that Russia is behind distribution on TikTok of OBL's "Letter to America" recently). Fight on both sides, tagging in as much of the greater sphere of commenters as you can.

That's it. That's all anyone's doing. Just do this over and over and you eventually drive people crazy.

They did the exact same thing in 2016, they did it in 2020 with BLM, they did it with Ukraine. It's nothing new

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[-] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

I'm pro-human beings and opposed to killing and maiming people who are trying to enjoy their life.

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[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 55 points 1 year ago

TikTok is banned in India so there's way less anti-muslim sentiment on the platform.

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[-] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Everyone's pro-palestine. They're just fucking people caught in the middle of some retarded bullshit. Every time someone gets killed, that entire family is probably radicalized, and they're right to be.

Israel has unrelentingly taken the worst possible approach to the problem, having learned nothing from their own experience. They've made the worst possible mess of it, which is no surprise considering it was made by a bunch of people trying to make the Bible come true like dipshits.

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[-] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Algorithm probably plays a sizeable part in that, but as an older gen Z fella I have become indifferent to both countries of this conflict. Both Israel and Palestine just race with each other who can check the most boxes in the Geneva Convention rules list. Just leave those 2 to sort this mess out for themselves, It's not like we get a Holy Site bonus effect by owning Jerusalem.

Or just put a stop on this, but this is a naive thinking.

That’s pretty reductive on the Palestinian side no?

Considering more than half the populous wasn’t even born when Hamas took power.

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[-] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 44 points 1 year ago

The difference is that for one side the "violations of the Geneva convention" are not being carried out by the duly elected government 🤔

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Like obviously no one thinks that what Hamas is doing is in any way right, but at the same time Palestine has been shrinking. Palestinians have been treated poorly for decades, and they have no recourse.

It’s hardly surprising that an organisation like Hamas would crop up. People are being erased and they want desperately to continue living.

I cannot truthfully say that I wouldn’t lash out in violence if my life was threatened.

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[-] h14h@midwest.social 33 points 1 year ago

IMO there are big risks consuming news & opinion from any single source.

Whether it's the CCP manipulating the TikTok algorithm, Russia buying ad space on Facebook, or American conglomerates pushing narratives on western mainstream media, there will be implicit biases everywhere.

The only real answer is to get news from multiple sources with diverging perspectives, try to find where facts overlap, challenge your own implicit biases, and form a perspective in line w/ your values.

Seeing America blame TikTok for pushing propaganda is the pot calling the kettle black -- and honestly more of a distraction than anything else.

The real important issue is that people are dying, and the existing power structures are doing jack shit to stop it.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago
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[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Maybe it's not so much they're "pro-Palestine" but anti-genocide.

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[-] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago

I don't think an algorithm is responsible for the fact that most sane people are generally against genocide. People being pro-Palestine in this specific situation is a humanitarian response and should not be causing any amount of concern because it is the morally correct position here.

HOWEVER, the fact that we just witnessed the fucking letter to america go viral on tiktok, wherein a soul crushing amount of people publicly stated they agree with a fucking jihadist manifesto, is cause for a massive amount of concern. Tiktok definitely needs to face consequences for letting that happen. We also can't excuse the audience for that type of behaviour. Whether it came from a deliberate propaganda campaign, or a sketchy algorithm, or just mass stupidity, audience members need to be better. If you read the letter to america and you think bin laden was right, you're a moron, and you're contributing to the problem.

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[-] unreachable@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

when the majority content type dominates the platform

surprise ~~pikachu~~algorithm

[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The entire point of an app like TikTok is to stir stories and headlines so they get more clicks. Everything is for the algorithm.

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