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[-] donuts@kbin.social 155 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To be clear, staging militant attacks from a hospital is a war crime.
To make matters worse, it opens up the likelihood and justification of counter-attacks against that hospital and the people in it.

According to international humanitarian law (IHL), health establishments and units, including hospitals, should not be attacked. This protection extends to the wounded and sick as well as to medical staff and means of transport. The rule has few exceptions.

Specific protection of medical establishments and units (including hospitals) is the general rule under IHL. Therefore, specific protection to which hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used by a party to the conflict to commit, outside their humanitarian functions, an "act harmful to the enemy".

Medical establishments and units enjoy protection because of their function of providing care for the wounded and sick. When they are used to interfere directly or indirectly in military operations, and thereby cause harm to the enemy, the rationale for their specific protection is removed. This would be the case for example if a hospital is used as a base from which to launch an attack; as an observation post to transmit information of military value; as a weapons depot; as a center for liaison with fighting troops; or as a shelter for able-bodied combatants.

Source: The International Committee of the Red Cross

Nobody should beat around the bush here. Hamas are using injured civilians as a human shield to stage attacks, and in doing so they are inviting retaliation and suffering under well-establish terms of international law. There's not really any particular gray area here. It's horrible, it's unethical, it's criminal, and it's just plain wrong.

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[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Has it seriously not occurred to zionists that there's a middle step between doing absolutely nothing and leveling the entire building? Send troops in there to liberate the hospital. A lot fewer innocents will die, and yea more IDF troops will die that way, but in what fucking universe is it preferable to murder civilians than to run a risky military operation? Even if Hamas kills a bunch of patients or doctors in retaliation there will surely be more survivors than if you just bomb the place. But nope, apparently Israeli lives are worth infinitely more than those of Palestinian civilians, so the best solution is to murder all Palestinians so they're not a "threat" to Israel

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

When your

best solution is to murder all Palestinians

...bombing hospitals, refugee camps, schools, and endless civilians is a good thing... and explains Israel's behaviour and rhetoric in a pretty straightforward way.

...of course, killing all those kids makes the question "why are Hamas bad" a bit awkward... I know! Saying it's bad to murder children is anti-semitic now - that's not an obvious, massive self-report!

I don't personally care to judge whether Israel or Hamas are worse - they're both monstrous, genocidal murderers, killing innocent civilians... But only one of them has the ability to actually deliver on their genocidal intentions, and they're making headway.

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Counter attacking with troops and killing the terrorist is a reasonable response.

Leveling the entire hospital and surrounding neighborhood with missiles is NOT.

[-] galloog1@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Hamas is literally in this video firing missiles. The people on this site including yourself have your heads in the sand.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hamas is literally in this video firing missiles.

Yes they are. So kill them then without leveling the entire neighborhood, as I already said.

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[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Uh oh, guess that means there's no choice but to level the entire place and kill every civilian in there :(

[-] capital@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So weird seeing people carry water for Hamas. It blows my mind.

After learning that there were indeed fighters, weapons, and tunnels just like Israel said, contrary to what a certain popular news outlet said.

If Israel rolled up without any opposition, no one would have died.

Now imagine what would happen to civilians if Hamas were allowed to roll up on an Israeli hospital unobstructed (refer to the attack on Oct. 7 for more info).

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, if the IDF were allowed to roll up with no opposition, people would still have died. They want to ethnically cleanse Gaza, Hamas just gives them a "good" excuse to do so. If it weren't for the 10/7 attack they would just maintain the status quo of shooting children for throwing rocks and making it hard to get aid into Gaza

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 22 points 1 year ago

The people in the hospital can't do anything about what Hamas does and doesn't do, as unfortunately within Gaza they can do whatever they want because they have the guns. Hamas committing war crimes doesn't justify committing your own war crimes.

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[-] daftwerder@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

You're right, the Palestine people should just let themselves be oppressed by the state of Israel. Now that the country has been bombed for over a month, they should welcome IDF soldiers with open arms. /s

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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago

but the forces bombing hospitals, escape routes, and journalists, they aren't terrorists??

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago
[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Palestinians and isreali civilians are caught between two asshole organizations and as they say, when elephants fight, the ants suffer.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

It's tiring to see everyone taking sides. Just admit that both sides are wrong: Hamas are using civilians as cover, Israel is just killing everyone to get at Hamas. The people suffer. :-(

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for so many people. Two sides can absolutely be in the wrong, especially over the span of generations. At such a point it really hardly matters anymore at all who started what, it's just two sides showing humanity's ugliest side non-stop.

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[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 year ago

Beyond these crazy and terrible events, I'm left wondering what the big picture end game was here? Was it to block Israel from normalizing relationships with neighbouring foes, or is it a part of a bigger play by foes of Israel to highlight the injustices from their point of view?

This sacrifice of the innocents on all sides is a terribly high price on humanity and how long an eye for an eye will take to play out in the generations to follow.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

That's exactly it. Hamas has previously and continues to do all it can to destroy any hopes for peace and Israel's far-right has been happy to leverage them for the same reason.

Palestinians and Israelis suffer and die while a few powerful men maintain or gain power from the situation.

Hamas can't have peace otherwise a more legitimate government takes over and continues toward a two-state system (they had in the past made a wave of suicide bombings to derail the peace process). Israeli far-right doesn't peace either (they've shot one of their PMs in the past over this) as that would put a stop to their ambition of power and colonizing more Palestinian land.

Israeli reporters have shown how the current Israeli PM and his party had passively allowed the financing of Hamas to come into Gaza (enemy of my enemy...) so they would keep destabilizing any peace talks and fight the more moderate Palestinian parties.

In short, Hamas is horrible and keeps provoking Israel and Israel keeps biting the bait and reacting exactly as Hamas expects them to do: doing their own round of horrible atrocities in a vicious cycle of suffering and death which breeds the next generation of extremists.

Anybody looking at this issue purely as a military problem is missing the big picture.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I don't know if there is an endgame. Just dogs chasing cars. I do know a lot of people have died.

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[-] paskalivichi@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago

Not a good way to avoid having your hospitals bombed...

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago
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[-] Melkath@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

They wouldn't have anything to fire at if IDF troops weren't there already murdering people.

[-] pingveno@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

Huh, wonder why the IDF is there. Oh yeah, it's because Hamas stormed out of Gaza and specifically targeted civilians as nice soft targets.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Not to defend Hamas or anything. But Israel does the same thing all the time. Proper escalation to kids throwing rocks at armed soldiers is not a lethal hail of semi-automatic military eeaponry fire. Happens all the time though.

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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago

Well, that's misleading. The article acts as if they're doing it from the hospital. They're firing from the road. There's nothing given in the article indicating they had anything to do with the hospital.

[-] anteaters@feddit.de 26 points 1 year ago

It remains a mystery why Israel shoots at ~~Hamas bases~~ hospitals.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

What say ye now Hamas lovers? Still a side-picker?

[-] Dalraz@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 year ago

No one is a Hamas lover Mr black and white

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[-] BluJay320 44 points 1 year ago

What?? Who tf is a Hamas lover?

Are you referring to the people who acknowledge that the IDF are just as much of terrorists as Hamas? Because that’s true, and it doesn’t make you a Hamas supporter.

Hamas are terrorists. Israel is a terrorist state.

Israel has oppressed and murdered Palestinians for decades. Hamas responded by slaughtering thousands of Israelis. Now Israel is responding by committing genocide.

There are no good guys. It’s terrorists fighting terrorists, while innocent civilians are caught in the crossfire and being massacred in the tens of thousands

Fuck off with your feaux-intellectual instigative bullshit. You look stupid.

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[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

No one sane loves Hamas. But it takes some serious mental gymnastics to pretend the Israeli government is justified in what is going on in Gaza right now.

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[-] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

According to IDF forces, as reported in fourteenwordsnews.com, the evil terrorists did a cartoonishly convenient thing that justifies the worst atrocities we've been getting beat up in the news for

Graffiti was also found in the area that said "blacks rule"

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[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 22 points 1 year ago

The video literally shows a tank out the front of the hospital so of course you're gonna have guys with rpgs defending it?

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[-] Onfire@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Hamas clearly in public buildings using civilians as shield. Palestinians clearly know and don't care. Nothing will stop me from hating on both Hasmas and Israel. And I am slo losing patience for Palestanians for supporting Hamas and not condemning their action.

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