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[-] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 296 points 2 years ago

Maybe less investment in trying to monopolise the market and more investment in developing their shopping platform so it’s not a smouldering turd.

[-] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 102 points 2 years ago

This is the most asinine approach IMO.

"Let's release a worse product. Hey, no one likes it. Okay, let's spend money on games so THEY can essentially force people to use our software. Hey, still, no one really likes it. Okay, let's try to give away stuff for free. Hey, people use our thing for the free stuff but still no one likes it for any other reason."

They just keep spending money to up their numbers and their product is still missing features and inferior to competition. They spend big money on exclusivity, but that is only temporary - if that's how you're getting your customers, you're going to have to keep doing it forever to retain them. If people only use you for free stuff, you're just going to have to keep giving stuff away at a loss to retain them.

This model is not sustainable. You're not doing anything that aligns value with your customers besides just throwing free stuff at them. That's not a business.

What's especially sad to me is they could literally have just spent that same money to improve their launcher and have an actual product. Instead they've invested in temporary stats. They're essentially bankrolling other devs on games with temporary popularity instead of in their lifelong product.

Using other games exclusivity as sway into your ecosystem only works when you have a good product the person would be interested in but they haven't seen it yet. EGS is currently something people are essentially coerced into using but no one really gets any real value out of it other than "well I couldn't buy this game anywhere else"

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

Plus it's not like there wasn't room for a good shopping client, if you go smart about it.

Steam had at the time - and still has - tons of bad UI design, stemming for its very old layouts wrangling with newer client additions and changes. Plus Steam for the longest time until the new client solved it had serious issues with late boots and hanging closures. GOG had just tried to bring out their own client a few years before, but in the move to GOG Galaxy had gotten a lot of ire and fucked a lot of things up. All the per-developer clients were berated constantly.
There was room there. But Epic, hell, this is so not it. Your client is so much worse than even the bad competitors...

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

Steam may suck at extra goodies like streaming but they sure as hell don't suck at selling games. Constant sales, cloud saves, pre-downloads, a solid friend system for co-op games. They nail all the important shit and that's really all that matters to most people.

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[-] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 years ago

We made the shittiest thing and nobody likes it. We’re all out of ideas.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago

Well not to discourage them but I like Epic games because every Thursday they give me a free game sometimes two. Hell all the 100 games I own on their platform I gotten for free. So maybe that's why it's not profitable?

Beyond that I see no monopoly every game on their I can find on Steam and so far have had no issues with it.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 97 points 2 years ago

They literally pay for exclusivity. It's weird that people seem to selectively ignore that every time someone brings up their desire to get free games from them.

This is the main reason why I never made an account, despite the free games.

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[-] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

I have not bought a single game from their store. I have over 300.

I also haven't played any of the games I got for free. Maybe one day I will, but today is not that day.

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[-] Davel23@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

every game on their [sic] I can find on Steam

Oh yeah? Find these:

3 out of 10

A Knight's Quest

Alan Wake Remastered

Alan Wake 2

Assassin's Creed Mirage

Battle Breakers

Binary Smoke

Castle Storm 2

Core

Corruption 2029

Crime Boss: Rockay City

Dangerous Driving

Dauntless

Dead Island 2

Diabotical

Ghostbusters: Spirits Unleashed

Goat Simulator 3

Grit

Infinitesimals

John Carpenter's Toxic Commando

Kid A Mnesia Exhibition

Kingdom Hearts series

The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria

Ooblets

PC Building Simulator 2

ReadySet Heroes

Rocket League

RollerCoaster Tycoon Adventures

Salt and Sacrifice

Saturnalia

The Settlers: New Allies

Shoulders of Giants

Sins of a Solar Empire II

Space Punks

Star Trek: Resurgence

Tchia

The Crew Motorfest

The Expanse: A Telltale Series

Tortuga - A Pirate’s Tale

Touch Type Tale

Witchfire

The Wolf Among Us 2

[-] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago

I don't know about any of the others, but at least Rocket League and Fall Guys are great examples here.

Both games already existed and were extremely successful on Steam.

Both games got bought by Epic and we were told they were going to get continued support.

Both games were then REMOVED from Steam.

Both games then started suddenly having objectively worse monetization. Both communities grew a pretty negative opinion of the changes.

Both games are objectively less popular now, though at least some of this is just age/fads.

But both games are just objectively in a worse spot than they were before. All Epic did was make them objectively worse.

[-] mayTay@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

This list is just another argument against epic... artificial exclusives. For a FUCKING LAUNCHER. Even fucking Playstation, EA and Ubisoft opened up.

Fuck Epic.

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[-] panchzila@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

They bought fall guys and removed the possibility of buying it on steam. And timed exclusives like borderlands 3.

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[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 157 points 2 years ago

Sure isn't profitable from me, I haven't bought shit from them.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 90 points 2 years ago

That's one interesting thing about this: They trained the players so hard to associate their store with the free weekly giveaways and only the free weekly giveaways, that's all everyone uses the client for now, and never mentally considers it to be usable for anything else.

The effect is pervasive, too. Games factually have not released if they're epic-exclusive. They're not discoverable on PC, as nobody would ever imagine checking the Epic catalogue for a game they're looking for. That's not what you open Epic for, it's those 1-2 free weekly games and nothing else.

In their bid to vie for developers not consumers they went so far too far that they have managed to alienate the concept of "selling games to players" in the consumers' minds, therefor making their store automatically unable to compete at its main intent.

Mind you, there are far more problems with it. Among which is that despite having so little in there, discoverability and navigation are downright terrible! It's an interesting lesson for frontend/UI design I imagine.

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago

This. I visit the site every week to claim the free games. If a game is epic exclusive, I consider it not released yet.

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[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago

Won't even take their free 'gifts', worse than Origin when it comes to spyware and data collecting. I can't understand anyone who willingly puts EGS on their device but complains about advertisers on other platforms collecting info about them.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Yeah let's not forget this is the client that went through your Steam-installed files on your drive to see what it could offer you.

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[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 84 points 2 years ago

Oh what a suprise. Maybe... Just maybe...spend some bucks on developing the store to be viable(!) competition to steam. And not just a ghastly shit-shop, where people only exist because of the freebies and partially because of the exclusives (i pirate the exclusives. Fuck exclusives).

Even GOG galaxy is a better client/store and they don't have the same budget.

Epic sucks sweaty, hairy monkeyballs. And i would welcome competition for the apex.

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[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 2 years ago

If you haven't tried a linux distro since the release of the SteamDeck, I highly recommend you give gaming on linux a shot.

[-] ajrwill@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago

Gotta love the diehard linux users promoting their preferred OS on a topic even slightly related.

[-] Carmine_Dionysus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 years ago

Man, I enjoy Linux too, but I cannot see how its related to the post.

[-] herr@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Having been on Linux for over a year now, I don't. It's still plagued by instability, weird bugs, and big limitations whenever non-Steam games are involved.

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[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I get the free games via the site but I dont use windows so I've never even tried to play them. I'd rather support valve who have really went all in on Linux gaming.

I know it is possible to get some of epic ones working via lutris but I'm not that bothered to be honest.

[-] Callie@pawb.social 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For what it’s worth, the Heroic Games launcher works out of the box for me on Mint, it also handles GOG

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

Maybe just uh..

Put your games on steam?

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[-] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago

I was up for a Steam competitor. I signed up for the Epic store a few years back. Tried to get the first free game. It wasn't available in my region despite being plastered all over the store in my region. The exact same thing happened the next month. Both of those games were available on Steam in my region at some pretty low prices by then.

Then, Epic started paying for exclusivity, making games not available in my region at all. I had at least deleted their stupid app by then anyway. Fuck Epic entirely.

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

On one hand, thanks to the nonstop giveaways, I have way more games on Epic than I do on Steam, so I have a reason to continue using Epic.

On the other hand, Epic's launcher runs like shit, constantly refreshes my library page, slow as hell, glitchy as hell, and makes me feel dirty when I use it.

Steam is just so cozy and is on the whole a much more enjoyable PC gaming experience. I imagine 95% of Epic users are people like me: sign in on Thursdays for the free game and then bounce.

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[-] Muffi@programming.dev 42 points 1 year ago

Epic Games launcher/store is nothing more than Tencent spyware using "free games" as bait and masquerading as a Steam competitor.

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Shocking literally no one, the game store that took a shot at the king with store that (initially) didn't have baseline stuff like reviews and a cart, and tried to get by on giving away product and paying a bunch of money to make stuff exclusive isn't doing so hot financially.

[-] ericflo@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago

EGS losing money has been great for gamers, as they continue to give away free games in an attempt to claw any marketshare. Gamers continue to win as long as this situation lasts. But reading these comments, nobody seems to recognize this.

[-] BluesF@feddit.uk 29 points 1 year ago

Gamers lose when the store shuts down and you lose access to all of the games you got for free, or worse actually paid for.

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[-] specfreq@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

ESG losing money is great for me just on principle, Tim Sweeney can go fuck himself.

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[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

See it's not all negative news on the internet.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

My launcher shows that I have 379 games from Epic. Not DLC, not demos. Full games.

I have never given Epic a single cent and I never will. (That is to say, until they offer me something that makes me want to use their platform). They have no killer features - AT ALL.

[-] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 year ago

To make it worse, I have all these games, but I still rarely play them. Not that it’s a bad selection, but between steamdeck, gamepass and just a crazy backlog on Steam makes me rarely think of Epic store.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Well that's at the crux of it, indeed. Steam has these killer features that enable and empower me as a gamer.

Then there's Epic that still doesn't have controller support.

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[-] Rose@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I have no idea why this is newsworthy. Epic's own 2019 documents and testimony in the Apple trial showed that the company did not expect the store to be profitable until 2024 or even 2027. The strategy of heavy investment and operating at a loss to turn a profit later worked for Spotify, Netflix, Microsoft, and many others. Even this week, there are headlines like "Elon Musk Says SpaceX's Starlink Achieves Breakeven Cash Flow".

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[-] SuperSpruce@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago

I have a crazy idea for Epic. Instead of paying a fortune for exclusives, leverage the lower 12% cut and have game publishers sell for less (so that the publisher makes the same amount on Steam and Epic)

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[-] coffee_poops@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 years ago

I might actually buy a game of the app didn't constantly sign me out.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Seems to me that the most lucrative thing in gaming is still just making really good games.

Sure, there's Steam, but that's a fluke. The exception that proves the rule. Just get back to actual game making.

[-] greenmarty@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

But you have to give Valve credit for supporting Linux gaming witch if gets popular enough will create perfect competition for Windows. imagine system that requires 1GB or RAM instead of 4-5GB when idle , that doesn't spy on you and is more secure. Perfect for gaming IMHO if taken seriously.

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[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

Would that be because it is still a pale imitator not remotely competitive with steam?

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Is it actually not profitable or is this one of those tax writeoff bullshit things where it makes them money in some indirect way

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