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Windows 11 adds native support for RAR, 7-Zip, Tar and other archive formats thanks to open-source library (www.techspot.com)

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Windows 11 adds native support for RAR, 7-Zip, Tar and other archive formats thanks to open-source library::undefined

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[-] stagen@feddit.dk 100 points 10 months ago

Still gonna use 7zip, the default Windows packing/unpacking interface is atrocious.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 75 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Honestly though if they just added "extract to {archivename}\" as a right click option it would cover more than 90% of my usage.

[-] Sowhatever@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 10 months ago

I love KDE's "extract here, autodetect folder" feature for compressed files

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[-] lemann@lemmy.one 12 points 10 months ago

Literally the reason why 7 zip is the first thing I install on a windows machine.

All the linux file managers I use have that context menu built in, so nothing else to install 😅 except that I also sometimes use 7zip file manager via WINE because I like a GUI

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[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 8 points 10 months ago

Check out NanaZip

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[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago

I wonder how long before I can send someone a .7z file without "hurr durr I can't open this".

Like, OpenDocument support exists in Office 2003 and I still encounter those who can't open a .odt file.

[-] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

#2040 take or leave it

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago

Serious question: why would one use .7z when .tar.gz and .tar.xz exist?

[-] lmaydev@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Why would you use any of them when zip exists?

For an average user they offer no advantage.

[-] Patch@feddit.uk 16 points 10 months ago

Zip has a worse compression ratio than 7z, and that's a disadvantage for the average user (for example, a user with an email attachment size limit that they need to stay under).

If Windows natively supports one of the better alternatives, there's no reason to keep using zip. It's a 30 year old format, and it's something that regular users will happily just go with whatever's default.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Yeah definitely sounds just as simple /s

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 9 points 10 months ago

For me .zip on Windows is equivalent to .tar.gz on Linux - used when I just want to send a folder in a single file very quickly.

Also handy when sending an archive to a weaker machine, that might take a while to unpack a 7z compressed at the highest setting.

.7z is when I want to send a folder encrypted, or heavily compress something to archive (like a database, documents folder, or disk image/iso). It seemingly does the impossible, shaving the size from say 60GB down to 40GB compressed if you use solid mode (which has downsides if there are multiple files in the archive). It's incredibly flexible, but the defaults are pretty solid for most cases

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[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 72 points 10 months ago

God I'm so sick of Musk spa ... wait, what? Actual technology news?

[-] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago

You are part of the problem by bringing it up where it isn't relevant

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago

Microsoft annonces an actually useful feature for Windows once in a blue moon basically. This is one of them.

But I still hate Windows.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

It only took them 20 years to incorporate a handful of mainstream file formats as core features. Give them a medal.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 15 points 10 months ago

Maybe they'll get around to multithreaded (de)compression in another 20 years.

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[-] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago

As someone who has daily driven Linux on all my devices for about 5 years now, I actually forgot that windows didn't have built in rar, tar and 7zip support. Absolutely bonkers that it took them this long.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago

they dont even have (s)ftp support built into their file explorer

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago

And Windows still balks at most common filesystems.

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[-] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

To be fair, Windows now has better support than Gnome does natively. I wish they would finally give nautilus seamless archive integration...

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[-] havokdj@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

Guarantee that they contributed no code back

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[-] MrFlamey@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

This is great, but I honestly hate the way that windows treats zips like they are just folders on your computer when they are fundamentally different, and I want to do different things with them. Sure, it's nice to be able to browse the files inside, but I can do that with 7zip.

[-] lmaydev@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

The whole point is most people don't want a third party app.

I also think for most users treating them as a normal folder makes complete sense.

Chances are you aren't the target audience of the default configuration of windows. It's aimed at people who have trouble checking their email.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

It's aimed at people who have trouble checking their email.

Opening ZIP natively in folder app really is just user friendly practices. Ofc it's easier to able to browse its content that way.

You shouldn't need 3rd party software for things that simple.

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[-] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 41 points 10 months ago

For history fans:

LZ77 and LZ78 are the two lossless data compression algorithms published in papers by [two Israelis named] Abraham Lempel and Jacob Ziv in 1977 and 1978... Besides their academic influence, these algorithms formed the basis of several ubiquitous compression schemes, including GIF and the DEFLATE algorithm used in PNG and ZIP.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ77_and_LZ78

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[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 36 points 10 months ago

Guess now pirates have to standardise on a new proprietary format.

[-] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 33 points 10 months ago

That's pretty cool. Please give us our objectively-more-efficient taskbar layouts back and I'll consider "upgrading" my desktop?

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[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 16 points 10 months ago

If they're incorporating open libraries, Hopefully support for real filesystems will be next

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[-] lemmegogo@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Guess it's time to finally buy a WinRar license

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Another actually genuine useful update, so...

TIME TO BUY A WINRAR LICENSE!!!

[-] Jagger2097@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Does it support password protected archives yet?

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

Nope, not yet

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[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

On macOS, the default double click behavior just unzips the archive into a folder of the same name with no additional interface. I always thought that was a nicer implementation than opening the archive to browse the files how Linux distros usually do (and maybe Windows; I’m not a frequent Windows user). It’s probably what 90% of people want 90% of the time. Why not just make that the default and put the other use cases behind the right click menu?

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Who unzips archives before you even know what's in it? That's madness.

You can do that in Windows and Linux (kde at least), it's just part of the right-click context menu, which makes far more sense to me.

Edit: I just remembered that a Mac mouse only has one button lol

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[-] raptir@lemdro.id 28 points 10 months ago

I often want to extract just a few files from an archive, so no.

[-] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Would that really be safe though? I wouldn't want everything to unzip without checking first what's inside.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 months ago

I don't think it's in any way unsafe, unless something is very wrong with the in-archiving software, in which case viewing it would likely have the same vulnerability. Files existing I don't think can cause any harm, again without some severe vulnerability somewhere along the chain. Running them is the issue.

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[-] unexpectedteapot@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

...and kids, this is why you (A)GPLv3 your code. Always.

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