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[-] Drusas@kbin.social 93 points 2 years ago

This whole meme is based on a lie; people on a keto diet get harassed all the time.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 83 points 2 years ago

Guilty conscience meat eaters use concern trolling to salvage their own self-esteem. In my experience, those expressions of worry are back handed compliments at best. They never come from people who are in better shape than I am and they don't come from people with better nutrition either.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

Wow you really nailed it.

I lost 58kg and the only things I ever heard was concern trolling from my friends that resented me for doing what they could not.

Never heard word one about my body while I was unhealthy and unhappy, and the shitty remarks started as soon as the weight reduction became noticeable.

"Woah slow down, don't want you to disappear!" "You've proven your point! You can eat a donut!" "Why do you want to be miserable and only eat seeds?" "Fuck dude you're vanishing! Eat a hamburger!" "You think you're better than everyone now!" "It's actually really unhealthy to be as lean as you've become." "Don't like hanging out anymore, you make me think about every molecule I put in my damned mouth!" "You look like a skeleton now."

And so forth.

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[-] Fleur__@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago

You can literally just read the comments from people who eat meat and see that they are more insufferable than vegans right here in this very thread

[-] matter@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

To be fair, meat eaters who come into a vegan community to be whiny little dicks because their masculinity is threatened don't represent the majority of normal people.

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[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 52 points 2 years ago

Maybe it has become worse since all those vegan or vegetarian fast food options became available in stores and restaurants.

When I hear non-vegs talk about living meat-free, the conversation always revolves around these meat substitutes, how unhealthy they are.

It does not come to their mind one can prepare a meal from fresh produce. Yes of course, fast food is unhealthy. On the other hand, I like it.

[-] SkyeStarfall 25 points 2 years ago

Are the meat substitutes actually bad, though? Certainly can't be worse than normal fast food.

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[-] neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 years ago

Always reassuring when carnists come on here to justify themselves on a vegan community. Honestly wouldn't be a vegan space without those comments

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

Right? They love coming over here to reassure themselves they're not murderers.

[-] neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 years ago

It's easier for them to shit on vegans than to admit to themselves that they are causing mass suffering

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It front paged. Nobody "came here" to defend themselves.

[-] Obonga@feddit.de 44 points 2 years ago

Scrolling down half i the comments has give me a true headache. Why do you guys feel the need to explain your consumption to vegans? Not like we have not heard your "arguments" a thousand times before.

Oh wait, you arent trying to justify your actions to us but to yourself?

[-] escaped_cruzader@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

C) Arguing on the internet is fun?

[-] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago

that's the neat part, You are malnourished on a vegan diet.

[-] toaster@slrpnk.net 26 points 2 years ago

As someone who regularly works with registered dietitians in clinical settings, some of which hold PhDs, please stop spreading misinformation from a place of hate and prejudice.

Sources: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12778049/

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Man the chuds in this thread really proving the OP right

[-] itslilith 33 points 2 years ago

why are there so many triggered omnis in this thread lmao

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

They don't like feeling bad for the terrible things they do.

[-] cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 years ago

The post is on the front page

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[-] Newsilverpig@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

I've done both vegan and keto for over a year at some point during my life and what I will say is that I naturally cover my nutrition bases through preferences and desires, while vegan though I had to hunt down (forgive the pun) b12 and complete proteins combinations a little more diligently to cover my nutrition needs.

Or put differently, I think it's easier to mess up a vegan diet than a keto one.

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[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

I've never understood full veganism. Is it not morally okay to consume animal products (such as milk or eggs) from actual free roaming and happy animals? And not the BS marketed "free range" products in the US.

Say I have 10 acres and keep a dozen or so chickens to roam around and eat all the ticks on my property, is it morally wrong to eat their eggs?

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago

Society doesn’t work on edge cases. But for the sake of argument:

If that’s all the animal products you eat, these chickens are not selected through the common practice of grinding male chicks, the hens are going to die of old age, etc etc etc - for what I’m concerned you’re vegan.

Veganism is about ethics, not diet. Diet is a mere consequence. Lab grown meat is more vegan than coconut gathered by enslaved monkeys (yes it’s a thing).

So if you fine one such farm where animals are never killed or otherwise exploited then by all means, eat those eggs and call yourself a vegan. But something tells me you won’t find it.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago

Adding to this - I really want to emphasize how much of an edge case this is.

Around 60% of the world's population lives in urban environments, and only ~10-15% of the population works in agriculture where one might expect to encounter a scenario like this.

Living on 10 acres and raising chickens who you hug every night before bed and treat with the utmost respect is a nice ideal to strive for, but it is not achievable for most people, and there is no scenario where we maintain global meat & dairy consumption levels ethically/sustainably. Treating it as a viable solution is disingenuous because it's only a solution for a limited few.

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[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago

I'm not Vegan, so I can't speak for them, but here's my understanding

if you live in an urban environment, it's basically impossible to get what you're referring to. Maybe if you were willing to have it shipped to you at great cost and not insignificant effort, but the only thing available at stores in the US is the BS marketed "free range" stuff. And even if you find a place that claims to be the real deal, how do you verify? Basically, it's easier for most people to just go Vegan then to seriously vet every source of animal products

Additionally, many vegans believe it to be a genuinely healthier diet than an omnivore diet. And please don't respond with " we evolved to be meat eaters" or something like that, because we didn't "evolve" to do practically any of the things modern life entails, including a lot of what we eat. Beyond that one BS counterargument though, I make no claims as to whether they're right. Anecdotally, my sister in law suffered from IBS her whole life until she went Vegan, when the problem went away entirely. So it certainly has benefit for some people

Finally, for a lot of vegans it's an issue of consent - some might say that you shouldn't eat those eggs in your example for the simple reason that they don't belong to you, and you can't morally take them, because theres no way to ask consent, and so you shouldn't. Again, you don't have to agree with the outlook, but that's the way several vegans have explained it to me.

If any actual vegans come along and think I'm misrepresenting something, feel free to correct it

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

I think there's some information you don't know about milk and eggs: milk is produced by forcing a cow to be pregnant (they call the rack they tie them to for breeding the rape rack), and then forcibly removing her calves from her and stealing her milk. It's terrible. And eggs are forced to be produced by grinding up male chicks so that females produce more. It's honestly terrible.

[-] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

You are intentionally ignoring what they said about hens on their own property.

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[-] ntzm@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

They are selectively bred to overproduce eggs which shortens their lifespan significantly. Also they cannot consent to you taking their eggs away, in the same way it is wrong to steal from someone else.

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[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

A whole stick of butter? Like, unfried? Reminds me of the time we had houseguests, opened up the butter dish and found teeth marks.

No one believes it's the cat, Susan.

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[-] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 17 points 2 years ago

I have literally stopped talking to a sibling becauase they think it is funny to make jokes about my veganism, or ask if I am still vegan (for life), or if I miss the taste of meat (no, I find the smell nauseating).

It is a lack of respect for life choices, made more loathesome because my choice is made on an ethical foundation, not a whim.

Honestly, that is just one reason. They are a jerk and a bully, like everyone else who comes on here feeling the need to dismiss veganism or claim feeling attacked by it.

Just like other kinds of prejudice, these negative reactions betray a profound level of ignorance that go beyond infuriating to pitiful.

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