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[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 158 points 10 months ago

The American social safety net fails again. At least this time it was mostly contained.

Condolences to those who will remember him.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago

No shit. We had plenty of guns when I was a kid (52 now), even AR-15s and the like, and this wasn't a normal thing until after Columbine.

I'd hold off on my manifesto, :), but mental health has taken a nosedive in this country. It's far, far worse than kids can imagine. Fox News, Facebook, the internet, etc. has poisoned our collective brains and discourse.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago

I'm 38, and yeah it's seriously fucked. I keep saying this and people still want to plug their ears and scream "it's the guns!".

I'm a prime example, I have ADHD and hardcore insomnia, and I got laid off a few months ago, my health insurance just ended. In order to see a psychiatrist it's gonna cost me $300 out of pocket for the visit, and then generic Ambien is like $120 for 60 pills. I got letters that say I could get health insurance via the COBRA Act of 1985, but it's SEVEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY DOLLARS A MONTH. Healthcare.gov keeps playing commercials that say "enroll now and you can get health insurance for as low as $10/month!". I went on there to look and it's only available for 2024 right now and they want to know your income for 2024. I put in 80k and they said I wasn't eligible, I put in 40k and it said it was gonna cost $350/month.

My dad is 73 and he constantly has to fight with insurance and the pharmacy to get his Ambien as well.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Losing your insurance/job is one of those situations that they'll enroll you early

[-] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I get your trying to help but you're missing the point

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[-] silverbax@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

If you aren't working, put in zero as your salary.

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[-] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's brutal, and I'm very sorry to hear that. No one should have to struggle to find help, especially for stuff like that.

I think this whole system is stupid, even from a business sense. If you want quality labour, "happy employees" are the way to go. If you prevent people from getting much wanted/needed help, you'll have a lot less of those "happy employees". You'll also have fewer taxes being paid, less money being spent, fewer people attending events and buying non-essential things, etc. The current set-up makes no sense to me. Instead of imporving anything, let's just keep continuing to make things worse and then complain that society is getting worse. That will totally fix things. It hasn't worked for the past couple of decades, but it will totally magically change tomorrow. Assholes.

I hope things get much better for you and your father soon. Y'all deserve MUCH better than this.

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[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

If you aren’t working, why are you putting in any salary?

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[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The vast majority of mentally ill people are not violent. The idea that mental illness is largely responsible for the prevalence of mass shooters contributes to the stigma already attached to mental illness.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

Know what did happen shortly before Columbine? Reagan dissembled our mental health infrastructure.

I was a teen in the late 80's. Hell, I thought homelessness was a normal thing I simply hadn't heard of until MTv started flogging it.

And if the mass shooting didn't start post-Columbine...? LOL, we didn't have that word in our lexicon.

FFS, we used to able to buy shotguns in the auto parts store. But suddenly, guns and "easy access" are the problem?

Why don't you folks start a fight you have a chance of actually winning? Shut down the right-wing propaganda, hard, yesterday.

And while we're at it, I'd kill for a solid study on how many killers, including suicides, are left/right politically. We both know how that's gonna play out.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I am saying that something else started it. Mental health care has been terrible for way longer than Columbine. And youre going to have to explain why there was a decade and a half gap between Reagan and this mass shooting. Dont get me wrong, Reagan was a real piece of shit but I don't think mental health or the lack of it is the major cause. Easy access to guns OTOH...

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Up until 2000, the NRA was actually a big supporter of gun control. At that point they switched to being pretty much zero tolerance for any gun control, and even trying to dismantle gun control.

One could apply the same logic you just did to blame mental health regulations to blame this instead.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

this wasn’t a normal thing until after Columbine.

Things that are relatively new, circa Columbine

  • the 24-hour news cycle

  • rage-farming as a genre of syndicated media (think: Limbaugh, Hannity, InfoWars)

  • selling fear becomes huge moneymaker for opinion programmers (Limbaugh, Hannity, Carlson, etc)

  • politics as a staple on social media comment threads

  • offshore groups (like troll farms, etc) posing as domestic political actors, targeting particular demographics

Ready access to guns is of course a problem, but it's probably made worse when all those folks with ready access to guns are bathed in fear and loathing 24/7 by millionaires making lots of money telling them things to make them or their families afraid or angry. Just a thought

[-] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 10 months ago

It always weirds me out that the first school shooting I remember occurred a few bit over a year before Columbine. Heath High School, December 1997.

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[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago

I'll fucking remember him. Kid realized he was going to harm a lot of people and avoided it.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Sounds like America shouldn't be selling guns until Republicans have finished curing mental health issues.

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 99 points 10 months ago

Sucks that he got to that point, but props for not going through with his plan.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

This is almost uplifting. Like, it's terrible the man was suffering so much, but it's admirable that he chose the better of the two options he was giving himself. That probably makes me sound like a terrible person.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 21 points 10 months ago

I don't think that sounds terrible at all. We can all agree, I think, that we'd rather this whole situation not happen at all, but of the two cases, one with one dead by their own hands, and another case with who knows how many dead at the same person's hands, there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying you're happy it was the former and not the latter.

Terrible would be saying he deserved it. Or putting someone in that position. Or a variety of other things, but it's not being relieved at a lower death toll.

[-] wild@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I didn't kill a bunch of people today, either, so props to me, too, I guess...

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago

You probably weren't at the end of your mental and emotional rope, with what seemed like no other outs. Context matters.

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[-] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 12 points 10 months ago

It's not that he's a good person, it's that he made the right decision at a critical moment. Still not a good decision, but a whole hell of a lot better than what he was prepared to do.

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[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 85 points 10 months ago

Sounds like the good guy with the gun was the bad guy with the gun this time.

[-] qnick@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago

Charles Whitman — Texas Sniper. Killed 14 people in 1966. Autopsy found a brain tumor pressing the amygdala, which presumably caused uncontrollable "fight or flight" response.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

And with the effortless access to firearms provided in the US, choosing the "fight" option was easy.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

First off, 1966 was a different time worldwide for firearms possession.

But for my real point, a continuous "activation" of fight or flight will always result in fight being the option, because all the running in the world hasn't helped to that point.

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[-] rosymind@leminal.space 15 points 10 months ago

I've been wondering if a brain tumor was the Maine mass shooters problem as well. We'll probably never know

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

The weapons found on Medina were ghost guns, which do not have serial numbers and therefore cannot be traced. His clothing had patches and emblems that gave the appearance of Medina being associated with law enforcement.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 37 points 10 months ago

To think he had all those guns and couldn't even stop one bad guy with a gun from killing him. Sad.

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

What are you talking about? All it took to stop a crazed murderer was one good guy with a gun!

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But the bad guy with a gun still made a victim out of the good guy with the gun. Idk this is making my head hurt.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 31 points 10 months ago

It's pretty fucked up that this is considered the good ending.

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[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

The good ending, I suppose?

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 84 points 10 months ago

No. Good would have been getting him the help he needed before this.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

On the positive side, he would never have been in the news if that happened. So maybe it's happening a lot that way.

[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 41 points 10 months ago

Jesus, that poor guy had some issues. I wish he could have gotten the help he needed rather than going down this road.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

When someone’s mind allows them to believe the options are to either commit a terrorist attack or to off themself, it sounds like cult behavior more than mental health to me

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago

Holy shit, there's a mountaintop amusement park?

[-] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

yeah. you ride up via tram and can enjoy a day of fun. roller coaster, swing over a cliff, alpine sleds (on rail) and caves. I also recall a laser tag area, some lame 4d ride (smells, get soaked, etc) and food. Then head down to the geothermal hotsprings for a nice soak in what i think is the worlds largest hotspring pool.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Yes, Rollercoaster too

[-] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

why not just suicide at home? like, why get all dressed up in tac gear, then off yourself in a relatively public space? oh sure, mental illness, but... why not just stay home?

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Could have meant to kill a bunch of people and go out in a blaze of "glory" then had second thoughts and just skipped to the end.

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[-] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

"In 2021, $68,000 in fines were levied against the park, where a 6-year-old Colorado Springs girl was killed on one of the rides over that Labor Day weekend."

Why include this? Word count?

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

The girl who died was one of my neighbors. It's been a hot topic in Colorado.

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[-] Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Definitely a tragic event, but yeah it seems kinda irrelevant

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 10 months ago

Is this like a satire site?

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