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Italian woman wins court case to evict her two sons, aged 40 and 42 (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] athos77@kbin.social 149 points 1 year ago

The woman, 75, [...] had grown weary of having to maintain her sons, 40 and 42, and on several occasions tried to convince them to find a more autonomous living arrangement, especially as each had a job. [...] The mother was also annoyed that her sons did not contribute to the household expenses or chores

Yeah, I'd be really pissed as well.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's her fault these people exist in the first place. The entitlement of parents that kick out their children when they aren't convenient anymore is astonishing.

Edit: Downvoted by entitled parents who never thought about what it means to yank an existence out of the void and put it in the meat cage and just had kids cause "thats what you do" yiiiikes

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

Are your parents pressuring you to move out of their basement? Your seemed to take this article personally.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

My parents were too poor to ever own a house. Check your privilege.

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Does it upset you that they are kicking you out of their shanty?

[-] billy_bollocks@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Grow up bud

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Not a parent, just fuck your ignorant entitled ass. Stupid selfish prick.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

Ah yes the entitlement of NOT having children LOL

[-] triptrapper@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

You don't know the circumstances under which she had kids. I understand your point that they didn't ask to be born, but if that's the case are they just going to be bitter freeloaders to punish her?

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

To punish her? They didn't ask to exist, now they do. Why should they have any responsibility?

[-] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Because they are grown men with the capacity to be self sufficient?

It's not the parents who are entitled, here.

[-] Why9@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I legit went from "hmm I disagree, but understand where he's coming from" to "this guy is deluded and crazy".

Property prices are super high everywhere right now and it's easy to understand how some people want to live rent free whilst earning so they can enjoy extravagant lifestyles.

But at 40, they're pushing it too far, to force their 70+ y.o. mother to carry them while they offer nothing in return.

IMO letting them chill for 40 years rent free is more than enough payment for 'being born'. If they weren't earning or were disabled etc and needed care etc then it would've been fine, but they're legit deadbeat freeloaders who won't bat an eyelid if their mom died.

If they haven't got a place to live, tough. They'll learn the hard way. 40 years is plenty of time to have figured it out.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 8 points 1 year ago

You realize the same logic applies for her right? She didn't ask to be here... why does she have to take care of ungrateful sons?

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

To punish her? They didn’t ask to exist, now they do. Why should they have any responsibility?

She's 75, she'll likely be passing away soon. If you've absolved these two middle aged men from responsibility, who do you expect will provide for them after her passing? Are you opening YOUR wallet to do so?

[-] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Dude, you're 40. Move out.

[-] mars 18 points 1 year ago

These are grown adults in their 40s. You really think the mom should just forever be their maid? Even at the age of 75?

At some point they just have to take responsibility for themselves. Even if they have to, or want to live at home, they should absolutely be contributing if they are able bodied.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 16 points 1 year ago

when they aren’t convenient anymore

Uh... you realize that they weren't convenient... well... EVER.

[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I'm not an entitled parent. I'm a guy who moved out of my parents' house at 23.

[-] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 14 points 1 year ago

The woman was 75 yo and will be probably needing assistance soon, she'll regret that decision bitterly.

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 118 points 1 year ago

Given they didn't do any household tasks at 40 you really think they'd step up?

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

It could be she made a mistake during their upbringing, if they never have had to do chores as kids, how can you expect them to start at 40?

I'm not sure about the boys doing chores culture in Italy?

My parents would have kicked me out instantly if I lived at home, had a job and didn't contribute and help with chores.

[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 59 points 1 year ago

if they never have had to do chores as kids, how can you expect them to start at 40?

Because they are 40 goddamn years old, that's how. Sure, you can blame your parents for your upbringing. But at a certain point, you need to start taking responsibility for that shit. Your parents can't fix you at 40, only you can do that. And if you can't figure that out, that's on you. Not your parents.

There comes a time you grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your own life.

[-] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Exactly, at 40 you can google how to do any chore. I was doing chores at a very early age and enjoyed the sense of contributing to the household and the independence.

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I agree that you should take responsibility for your own life sometimes after you become an adult latest in like the 20s.

In this case the mother have done all the chores for 40 years, like what was expected of a woman 100-200 years ago, and I'm sure part of it is she still see them as her boys, it just took her 20 years to reach her limit.

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 26 points 1 year ago

Let's be honest, it's pretty easy to learn that stuff.

Making your 75 year old mum do it is frankly disgusting.

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

If you somehow think I am on the side of the two sons you are mistaken.

And let's be even more honest and use our common sense, there's some parents that don't let their kids do chores, and how should they then learn?

If she always have done all chores and never been tough on them, they have been taught to expect she does all the chores and all the shopping.

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

I think a 40 year old should be able to figure it out pretty easily.

You don't need a degree to use a mop or a washing machine.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 4 points 1 year ago

should be able to figure it out pretty easily.

My 7 year old knows how to find a youtube video... watch it... and do it herself. A 40 year old should be more than capable unless mentally handicapped. Also learning things by observation is a thing too... Are we to believe that in the 40 years of their life, they've NEVER seens how mom loads the dishwasher?

[-] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If they were in their 40's, have jobs, but were still not even helping out around the house, I kind of doubt they'd be stepping up to the plate to help out anytime soon.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

It's much more likely to be like this article. She deserves a chance to live her own life, not be a cook, maid, housekeeper, laundress, personal shopper and bank for her fully-grown sons. ... Oh, sorry, wait, I misspelt leeches.

[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

That woman always was on her own, even with the leeches living next room.

[-] oldGregg@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Ew I stepped in shit

[-] GONADS125@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

This is entertaining, but I seriously don't understand how it's appropriate for the World News community.

[-] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Did it not happen in the world?

[-] GONADS125@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's totally not the point. I'm questioning if it's newsworthy and this community tends to be more for serious news.

There's just more appropriate communities, like !nottheonion@lemmy.world, for example.

I took a dump after coffee this morning. I'm not an astronaut, so that happened in the world. Does that mean it's newsworthy and should be reported on and posted in this community? (I'm insinuating this is more of a shitpost, if that's not clear.)

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

"BREAKING NEWS: Man Takes Dump, Claims He is not an Astronaut!"

I'd read the article.

[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

I'd read the headline and post something in the comments.

[-] RHSJack@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Look at all these folks with time to waste. I don't even read the headlines. I go straight for the first comment, sorta look at it, and then comment. Like this.

[-] FrostbyteIX@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

"We now go live to the man's rectum to see how its holding up after that dump!"

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I took a shit this morning, and I live in the world. Does that count? Should I make a post about that?

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe !offbeat@lemmy.ca would be more appropriate.

@fne8w2ah@lemmy.world

[-] ettyblatant@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I did NOT expect the comments to be so divisive on this

[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's really not, the votes show that.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The proportion of Italian adults still living with their parents has long been high but one mother was forced to take drastic action after her two sons – both in their 40s – refused to abandon the comforts of the family home.

The woman, 75, from the northern city of Pavia, had grown weary of having to maintain her sons, 40 and 42, and on several occasions tried to convince them to find a more autonomous living arrangement, especially as each had a job.

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In her ruling, Caterbi said that while the men still living at home was initially warranted due to the “obligation of the parent to provide maintenance”, it was no longer justifiable given the fact that they were over 40.

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Although there has always been a culture in Italy of multiple generations living under one roof, the number of young adults staying longer in the family home has risen in recent years, mostly as a result of tough economic conditions and the lengthy amount of time it takes to find a stable job.

However, many are dismissed as bamboccioni (big babies), a term first used by an Italian politician in 2007 to mock adults still living with their parents and which suggests that some do it for the convenience of free room and board.

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In one case, in 2020, Italy’s supreme court rejected the appeal of a 35-year-old part-time musician, who argued that his €20,000 (£17,400) income wasn’t enough to live off and he needed money from his parents.

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The original article contains 428 words, the summary contains 268 words. Saved 37%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] eguidarelli@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

First time I’ve seen the number of sentences skipped in these summaries, very nice! Gives a better idea of the whole article and if I’m missing out on a detail that was skipped

[-] bit_thanos@monero.town 2 points 1 year ago

Some of yours would be happy if you still lived at home...

[-] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago

The mother was also annoyed that her sons did not contribute to the household expenses or chores,

My mum would kill me.

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