I feel like when this pops up everyone freaks out and yells about how it's proof the aur sucks and arch is doomed. Do you people randomly install GitHub repos without any due diligence? Do you click on random ads to download bake bean can cursors? There's malware fuckin everywhere. Just do your due diligence and don't get screwed. And if you do get malware, have a plan to make it irrelevant. Anyone who doesn't do these things should in no way be using the AUR.
I use malware, btw 😎
Arch should be stopped to be recommended to new users of Linux ASAP
Arch as far as I am aware has never been recommended to new users. Sure their is CachyOS and other variants. And on top of that AUR you shut read the build scripts. But I suppose not many people do that unfortunately.
more importantly, they don't recommend that users use the AUR repository (that isn't to say they are opposed to it). Some advice they have given is to review what the dependencies are before executing the package with an AUR helper or manually.
Just to make a point, there is a surplus of these non officially supported (from OS developers) repositories, such as the terra repository for fedora. It has the same vulnerability as AUR, and yet that is targeted for new users.
Much like how fedora doesn't officially support Terra, arch doesn't support AUR. There is a reason why it's called AUR (arch user repository) over ASR (arch supported repository). AUR entails that it is not supported by arch.
It's a trend between kids going for an "advanced" distro
Well, just don't use AUR for everything. They don't even recommend helpers. It's ment to be tedious, to discourage usage for non-necesarry bullshit.
Is anybody really recommending Arch to new users though?
Yeah, there's a ton of people that recommend Cachy when it is really meant for tinkerers IMHO
I'm very tired of the rhetoric that Arch is only meant for tinkerers. If all you do is have plasma steam and a web browser it's no more or less likely to break than any other distro. You could go your entire life without ever looking at the terminal.
And while yes this malware is a problem it is specifically in the aur, the arch user repository an unofficial repository not officially supported, just don't use it. Unless you need a weird piece of software generally related to some type of specific hobby you're unlikely to ever even want to look at it anyway.
I do agree with this in theory. I just don't know many 'normal people' that are going to only ever require those three things. (Totally with you on the AUR bit)
Really? If anything I have the opposite problem all the normal people I'm aware of probably don't even need steam just the web browser and plasma. Pretty much everything is in the web browser these days I mean they might want the dedicated discord client but that's ultimately just a web browser in a box and will also work perfectly no AUR required
You have to go download an AUR helper to even get into the AUR, it does not come by default on Arch systems. You have to actually do this to yourself to get the malware.
Lmao shut up
he's right is he not?
Adoptions are a mistake anyways. Remove unmaintained packages and block the name for several months.
For the record, those are all new packages (not orphaned packages being adopted). I assume more will come, we'll clean those as soon as possible.
In the mean time stay vigilant, probably refrain from installing freshly pushed new packages from the AUR for now.
So wasn't adoption in this case. Looks like instead they submitted a bunch of git/bin versions of existing packages.
Adoption of unmaintained packages to maintain them is not a mistake. The problem is the current implementation, not the idea behind it. It's like saying the AUR is a mistake, because some people do malicious stuff.
They should find a better solution, like adoption shouldn't be granted to everyone without question, especially new accounts who didn't maintain anything before. Mass adoption shouldn't be granted automatically (limit rate), in example 1 package adoption per day and if someone wants more, admins or moderators need to approve. And updates of newly adopted packages should wait a day.
Also the AUR helpers should do a better job. Always ask if a new adopted package should be updated and give a warning the maintainer changed.
The problem is the current implementation
Yes, exactly this! I am not surprised it happens. I’m surprised it didn’t happen before.
especially new accounts
Weren’t there “sleeper accounts” registered years ago that became active in the current wave?
Also the AUR helpers should do a better job.
Even experienced people will just update as if nothing could happen. Adopted packages should have to use a different name and the current name being blocked so it WILL get attention when some tries to update their system.
Weren’t there “sleeper accounts” registered years ago that became active in the current wave?
Which does not invalidate my point about new accounts, but yes. Its important for new accounts, so once a sleeper account is banned, its not that easy to just create thousands of new accounts while everyone is focusing on the current active ones. And if, as I suggested, mass adoption per account is not possible, then the attacker has less to attack.
Edit: They need to make sure that sudden editing many packages in short time, with probably the same or similar lines should be automatically reported. They need some automated checks in place, at the very least. This would be a very suspicious behavior if many accounts are not active, and then suddenly all of them do something.
Even experienced people will just update as if nothing could happen.
Then you can't fault the system, if you are this reckless.
Adopted packages should have to use a different name and the current name being blocked so it WILL get attention when some tries to update their system.
This would break all dependencies of this package. The point of adoption is to keep it working and stable. I'm highly against force changing the name, that is not a solution (at least not one I am happy about).
[Changing a package’s name] would break all dependencies of this package.
Yes, that is correct. But that should not be a big deal for packages that are actively maintained. The maintainer can simply change the dependency to the new name after making sure the new package is legit.
Enforced commit signing and making it obvious when the signature changes would help make adoption much safer. I really hope they implement it.
Remove unmaintained packages and block the name for several months.
Alright, but that would mean most of AUR. Have a look at the package statistics box on the AUR homepage. Most packages fall under that definition in one way or another. The vast majority of the AUR is package some random person added once then never bothered with ever again.
Frankly I'm surprised that the AUR has survived for so long in its current form, for what is basically a shell script distribution system with zero supervision and zero safety guards.
Man I feel like I dodged a bullet switching to Fedora right before this AUR fuckery started to happen...
You don't have to use AUR to use Arch. Just like PPA for Ubuntu or Fedora's Copr.
Sure, but as a user it seems like a non-trivial number of packages are only on the AUR vs other distros.
I wonder if Ubuntu PPAs are also compromised
The chances malicious packages live in PPA now is quite high. Perhaps their adoption procedures are not conducive to the same type of attack AUR is experiencing.
Why tf didn't they leave it disabled since the last attack?
No way to prevent this, says only repo where this regularly happens
Besides all the other non infected ways to install the software, there is a way to prevent this: Just read the AUR package before install and don't trust blindly any new maintainer.
It's metaphysical approach to security. Enshrined rules that can't be enforced don't define user's behavior.
I mean, nobody is saying there is no way to prevent this, and I would hardly say that "twice" can be cathegorized as regularly.
Also I find this of extremely bad taste as you seem to compare this to school shootings, with literal children deaths. I would say that a few thinkerers getting pwned from their claude tokens is a couple orders of magnitude less serious.
friends don't let friends use the AUR
all they have to do is to check the damn diff, if that's not easy for someone then they should stop using a computer altogether. I mean they could just click to random links on the internet right?
, if that's not easy for someone then they should stop using a computer altogether
No. It just means they should stop using AUR
Literally what the AUR says to do before installing any package yet apparently no one does it.
Do I really need to audit my system again?
Not if you follow the normal safety precautions for using the AUR. There are several things you can do to look for red flags, but the most essential thing is to read the PKGBUILDs. And helpers like yay, paru and Shelly can all show diffs which makes that much easier after the initial installation because in most cases you'll just see that the version and checksum has changed which means it's as trustworthy as last time.
This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case unless the Arch team restricts the AUR which quickly can make it lose exactly what makes it so good.
Just saw DeepSeek TUI in there, that's probably going to be a whopper that hit quite a few users.
You mean https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/deepseek-tui-git from the list https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/aur-general@lists.archlinux.org/thread/P4WIRHTFNH2YZWQHGBAKQWX5YOAFIDLY/ ? It has 0 votes and Popularity is at 0.000000, since it was uploaded 2 months ago. And there is a non Git version that is not listed (probably not affected) at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/deepseek-tui . On top of it, on their website https://deepseek-tui.org/#install the main recommended way to install it is with npm and there is even a way to build it with Rust it seems (I'm a bit unsure).
So I don't think it hit that many users, as only a couple of people since Mai would want to install it, and they have to have updated it to build from source in recent days. That is a very narrow number of people, just by my gut feeling.
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