Man, I just can't 😓
What's wrong with trade-schools?
For real, trade school did me better than most of my peers, but people definitely have some stigma around it for some reason.
Because colleges pushed the "without a degree, you'll be flipping burgers and living in your mom's basement". When the reality is, trades make bank.
Right now in Poland people with a degree struggle to get by working shit government and corpo jobs while people after trade schools buy summer homes and drive new cars. In Spain were I live they don't make as much money but they sure as hell don't have to worry about work. I'm trying to find someone to do some reforms and people simply ignore you. They have so much work they simply don't care if you will hire them or not. And a lot of those jobs a not back-breaking. AC technicians have shitload of work now and will only have more.
funny, because even WITH a degree, you'll end up flipping burgers. But with a degree, you'll have thousands of dollars of debt to pay back too.
We figured out scarcity 12,000 years ago.
You can tell because we had time to start writing shit down.
Everything since then has been the people with mental issues hoarding the resources causing problems instead of sharing like normal humans.
In other words, yeah, a job is way more likely to be a useless joke than actually contributing to humanity.
But you're supposed to pretend so they can buy another yacht.
I have 2 bachelors. Had to do the second because first's field wasnt hiring by the time i finished. Second now gets automated by AI.
Basically got hit by 2 historic recessions by the time i finished each.
I'd strongly emphasize doing trade/care as of now. You hear the troubles the tech ppl have getting hired? I bet 90% of office jobs get automated with having cheap developers + AI.
Robots which go to ppls homes and repair plumbing or electricity is still 50-200 years away.
I give it ~15 years but true
Yeah, same as self driving trucks. Been 15 years away for 15 years now.
I know someone who is in trades, unfortunately it's not all roses there, either. Only so many electricians are needed. They seem happy to get work when they can get it, but it isn't always a stable income.
HVAC is booming right now. That's about the only bright side of the planet getting hotter.
Mechanic work is still alright. Yeah, the field is saturated, but the pool is like 80% drunks/unreliable. If you're even mildly responsible and know your way around wrenches and cutting and hacking on steel, you'll go far. That said, you don't have far to go. Everyone old either died or quit and the last one is your boss.
Once you're in a shop, getting paid, bonding with the crew and settling in, it's extremely stable. I'm a forklift mechanic at , but any experience with any form of truck or carts carries from job to job. The pay is 'meh' but it's enough to live on, buy drugs and a hobby or two. No home or retirement for us, though unless you own a shop.
so... own a shop?
Those types of mechanics know everybody or have a group of clients already,... and they can afford property. Who can afford property? They can, apparently. You could do mobile mechanic work and/or do roadside assistance for insurance companies, but there's hoops to that too.
Man I am in precisely the same spot. Where did we go wrong bro
I mean...when I was 23 I worked shit jobs for a while too until I found an industry I liked. Now I have a good job. But it takes years, they don't just hand it to you when you graduate undergrad.
It would be nice if the lower end jobs paid better, that's the bigger issue. Pay people fair wages.
I’m in my mid-30s. When I was 23 I had a master degree and got offered 2 positions that I hadn’t even applied to - both starting positions with good pay in my chosen field. When my boss was 23 he got offered a professor position at a good uni because he happened to share an office with the guy they were hoping to hire, so they hired him as well (?!). In my parents life time, neither applied to a job and got rejected.
Times have changed drastically, even from just 10 years ago.
So it’s possible for both things to be true.
You (and me) had it hard when 23 and harder compared to the boomers (I had to do shitty unpaid internships to get ahead (on top of work not in my industry to support myself) which was a huge gamble looking back). But 10-15 years have passed and it’s even harder now and I couldn’t recommend that pathway to younger people — cause if they’d do an internship, they won’t get recruited.
What would you recommend now? I'm essentially a copy of OP, down to being 23. I think it must be 23-syndrome
Yeah, the Boomers give the typical Boomer advice of "just walk in and give the manager a firm handshake" ... because for them, in their time, that actually worked.
So it’s possible for both things to be true.
You (and me) had it hard when 23 and harder compared to the boomers (I had to do shitty unpaid internships to get ahead (on top of work not in my industry to service) which was a huge gamble looking back). But 10-15 years have passed and it’s even harder now and I couldn’t recommend that pathway to younger people — cause if they’d do an internship, they won’t get recruited.
Fucking sick and tired of hearing Americans removed and moan. Yeah, your shitty circumstances are because of your garbage country, do something about it.
Does their shitty instance really censor the word bitch?
What a silly place you come from.
Yeah how dare we protect women, lol.
Yeah, because thats going to make all the difference.
Who said it would make all the difference?
You seem to think it will.
You seem confrontational
Thanks for noticing!
Bro, I live in the UK and we have the exact same problem
Really depends on the type of degree he got and the major.
I don’t regret my major (music education), even though I’m not using it in my current career. If I had to do it over again though, I think I could have been a good electrician.
It's really not easy to predict what is going to be needed in the future. I'm trying to tell my kids to be mindful of how industries are progressing and to keep options open as well as trying to building skills needed such as reading comprehension.
So basically, you're teaching them to dance like a monkey for the billionaires. We need a general strike so we can be not at the bottom of developed countries for quality of life.
Will strikes accomplish anything if your work isn't valuable in the first place?
You can still be an electrician!
If you have to pay to go to grad school that's the school's way of saying you don't belong there.
Nobody likes you when your 23...
> still living with parents
> wasting days jacking off
If there's no jobs in your field then definitely study a trade instead
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