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submitted 3 weeks ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

The bodies were found Friday inside the Grand Haven residence, police said, and the children were 5 to 15 years old.

A man fatally shot his wife and their six children before he set the Michigan home they shared ablaze and turned the gun on himself, authorities said Monday.

Kristopher Karolkiewicz, 47, killed his wife, Amanda, 39, and their children, ages 5 to 15, Ottawa County Sheriff’s Capt. Jake Sparks said at a news conference.

They were found dead after first responders arrived at the home in Grand Haven, on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, late Friday morning, Sparks said. Autopsies showed all had been shot, he said.

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[-] HejMedDig@feddit.dk 55 points 3 weeks ago

I'll never understand a man's reasoning for doing that. How can one be an arbiter over the lives of your partner and kids...

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 63 points 3 weeks ago

While Lemmy loves their memes and jokes about the government and the economy, this is what real world stress results in. I'm sure they will find a rich online life for this guy and recent financial trouble.

For every 1% increase in unemployment, 40,000 people die in a country with no social net. That's what a shit hole is.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Ironically I just went through a deep dive about this guy reading multiple news sources and they all say he recently lost his job as a vp for the sales department of the American heart association.

So yeah. Dude was stressing and I get it but, fuck. So much unnecessary death just because people willingly vote against their own self interests.

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✨**patriarchy**✨

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 15 points 3 weeks ago

"reasoning" is not going to be the right word for whatever was going on in this guy's head.

[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

That seems like a dangerous way of thinking. You can't ever hope to stop something if you refuse to understand it.

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[-] toast@retrolemmy.com 9 points 3 weeks ago
[-] velma@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

90% of family annihilators are male.

[-] toast@retrolemmy.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

Can't we just agree that all family annihilation is bad?

[-] moustachio@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Ok, is there a point you’re making aside from “men are bad”

[-] velma@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Was there a point toast was making beside whataboutism?

This case is a man killing his family and himself. Most family annihilators are male. That's facts.

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

It's a disturbingly prevalent mindset really. The idea that the patriarch, the pater familias, literally owns the family. That his wife and children are possessions to do with as he pleases. In ancient Rome it was litteral. He could kill them if he wished. Not even unique to Rome. Its still around today. A sick aspect of conservative ideology that persists and infects society the world over.

Its the sickening undercurrent to conservative "parents rights" arguments.

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[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

I remembering seeing something similar happen in my state, father had lost their job and murdered their whole immediate family to prevent them from becoming homeless.

Nuts, but there are a lot of homeless around here and it does not get easy to pull yourself or your family out of that.

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago

This happens so much, their is a name for it "Family annihilation" or Familicide. It's almost always the patriarch who does this. Women do it too, Andrea Yates comes to mind, but that's much more rare.

I've always found it interesting that while men do familicide often, we forget about it. (Psychology Today puts the rate at 1 every 5 days in the US) Meanwhile women who do the crime like Yates or Smith become notorious for decades. Admit it, you've forgotten the name Kristopher Karolkiewicz from the article you just read, but you remember Susan Smith from 30 years ago.

[-] moustachio@lemmy.world 65 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t remember any of their names, even the ones you wrote.

Nah, I don't remember any of them.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

Was she going to divorce him or something? These pieces of shit always lose their minds over women leaving.

[-] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

Its usually caused by either that or money. Says she was a substitute teacher.

I bet it was money related.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Probably divorce and “taking” his money for child support.

[-] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Lost his job. Seems like it wasn't greed, but a fucked up way of "saving them" from suffering being poor.

[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 weeks ago

Why are the killings always in the wrong order…

[-] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Why can't these absolute cunts do themselves in before taking out their families?

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

So like. What happened right before this? I'm not trying to justify it I'm just genuinely curious.

Was this just a crazy man who finally snapped? A crazy man pushed too far by outside influence? A spur of the moment murder suicide?

Outside of mental issues I'm not really coming up with many ideas on how this shit occurs

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