If the phone's security prevents them from accessing information, then they have no information. How can they prove there was any information on it to begin with?
They just accuse you of withholding evidence. Yay for freedom of speech.
@SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml the courts already decided that it was okay to jail people for literal years for not providing a password: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Rawls
and there are more:
Jfc. Next you'll be jailed for not having a phone
I assume all PC users are also on watchlists because they can run Linux or BSD too? Even if they haven't erased Windows yet?
That's fucking wild.
And old.
This has been a thing for decades but too few noticed and many more will stay unaware unless it bites them.
That was a court order though. If there is no court order and no warrant, they shouldn’t be snooping through anything.
the courts have decided that all ports of entry -- including airports -- are constitution free zones; meaning that the constitution does not apply there.
as a result most americans -- 2/3rds of them -- live in places where the constitution does not apply to them.
Yeah, this is bananas. Especially when Antifa is labeled as a terrorist group and they say all of us are Antifa
Funny how the lemmy liberals never believe that the US is the authoritarian country lol
Really? I feel like I'm constantly seeing complaints about the US's growing authoritarianism.
I mean from the cadre of Anti-russia, Anti-china accounts who try and tell me I am a conspiracy theorist for thinking that the CIA is behind "all world events" despite talking about a specific event where the CIA actually overthrew the country I am from.
They didnt grow to it. Nobody just gave a shit before, because it wasnt against all skin colors.
lemmy liberals are a specific group of people and not everyone.
In a thread where people are saying US is an authoritarian country: "wow they never say this"
This thread isn't the lemmy liberals? I'm not talking about the people on lemmy.ml privacy and this thread? Maybe if this comm was on shitjustfash
What they don't believe is that it has started decades before Trump
And that person is the officer that destroyed the evidence
BS. It's a claim from last year and not only in Spain, that criminals often use encrypted phomes (logical), among others, Graphene OS, but also iOS and Android. Not that all who use encrypted devices (or message apps) are criminals, which due the amount of these devices result absurd to say. As often, periodists write and share half understood news. In Spain as also in the rest of the EU, phones and messages of individuals can only be intercepted by the police with a court order in a criminal investigation, not globaly like in the US. There may be cases when an individual under criminal investigation deletes incriminating messages, which can be punished for concealment of evidences.
Name one thing that can't land you in prison in the US. I'll wait.
Indirectly murdering hundreds of thousands of people in pursuit of profits.
And manslaughter with a car.
That's an instant death sentence if the person you're running over is an ICE agent, however.
pedophilia (if you are rich)
You don't even need that first part. Being rich makes it 10x harder for you to be prosecuted.
Supreme court has ruled that warrantless phone search at the border is bogus, but theyre too shitpantsed to stick with it
Not if you live within the jurisdiction of the 4th Circuit. The court "ruled that a lower standard applies to manual searches, allowing the government to conduct extraordinarily invasive electronic device searches without any suspicion of wrongdoing, simply because the border officer chooses to search by hand rather than with a forensic tool."
Does this apply to non-US citizens as well?
You mean slave/s?
Seems like what's needed is the ability to load an alternate profile or some kind of demo mode based on the pin. Something that looks normal but doesn't have any info you don't want others to see, without actually deleting anything.
Dont think that would be as secure. Once a phone has been unlocked after reboot, even if it has been locked again, the operating system and ram can be accessed quite easily with the correct tools and border controls have those tools.
Even a Graphene phone is only properly secure before first unlock after reboot. So i would not personally rely on allowing acess to any profile. I would assume its possible, (probably trivial) to gain complete access from there.
Any duress pin use should be covered under a person's right to avoid self incrimination.
If the phone is owned by your employer and they are the investigation target, then you might be on dodgy ground.
Nothing is needed. Erase your shit before you travel in or out of the US.
You can already have multiple independent users in graphene (maybe in stock android too idk). You have to switch them before the possible search though.
This is yesterday's news. Destroying evidence is a crime in a lot of jurisdictions. With that in mind, I don't understand how somebody who apparently uses Graphene OS didn't bring an empty burner when crossing one of the most notorious borders in the world.
Which isn't to say that the laws that require you to unlock your phone and that throw you in jail if you securely wipe it aren't hostile and inhumane.
In order to be convicted of destroying evidence, there needs to be proof that there was "evidence" on the phone in the first place.
If something on the phone is already known without doubt, then what's the need for access? if there is doubt at the time of the wipe then there is no proof or destroying evidence. 🤷♂️
I cross the US border every few months.
Stopped carrying a laptop, still crossing the border with a graphene phone, tho.
How are they supposed to know there was evidence on it? I'm allowed to delete my files, aren't I?
Not quite. If you know or shouldreasonabley believe someone is about to arrest you or sue you, depending on the circumstances, judges can tell juries to assume the erased data would show something bad. But it depends on the details.
Except that this person wasn't accused or even suspected of a crime.
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