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submitted 3 days ago by Stern@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world

From the article - "The agency said Rapp and a fellow bicyclist were riding on a local road when Medina passed them in his car, stopped, and drove his vehicle in reverse. Medina then hit Rapp, and she was pronounced dead after emergency responders brought her to a hospital."

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[-] its_kim_love 140 points 3 days ago
[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 41 points 3 days ago

Brazos deputies said they booked Medina on a count of manslaughter

The sheriff concurs.

[-] mjr@infosec.pub 40 points 3 days ago

Isn't manslaughter a lesser charge than murder?

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 3 days ago

Yes it is. Manslaughter is definitely a lesser charge. Usually used if the death was accidental or such.

Fortunately, the sheriff doesn't have the final say. If the DA thinks it'll stick, they can upgrade the charge to murder or even capital murder.

It's Texas, so I have doubts that actual justice will be served.

[-] Boe 29 points 2 days ago

It’s also about the burden of proof, it’s easier to keep someone jailed on manslaughter.

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 73 points 3 days ago

In Texas, murder applies when the person

Intentionally or knowingly cause the death of another person [or] Intend to cause serious bodily injury and commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that results in death

While manslaughter means

if they recklessly cause the death of another person. Unlike murder, manslaughter does not require intent to kill or cause serious injury. It focuses on reckless behavior that creates a substantial and unjustifiable risk of death.

Sure reads like those charges should bump from manslaughter to murder.

[-] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 22 points 3 days ago

It all hinges on the intent to kill. I'm sure he now would say he didn't intend to kill. just to hit them and teach them to stay off the road. They have enough to charge them with both. And let a jury sort it out.

[-] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Read the article, it has his excuse, which explains the manslaughter reason.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

If there’s skid marks, he better get upgraded charges. He has a history of this shit too:

Those jail records also showed prior arrests for Medina on counts such as deadly conduct by discharging a firearm, assault causing bodily injury, and reckless driving. Dispositions for those cases were not immediately available.

[-] mjr@infosec.pub 34 points 3 days ago

Saying you intended to hit someone with a motor vehicle is saying to intended to kill them, unless you're provably insane and don't understand that hitting someone is likely to kill.

[-] podian@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Even a legally "insane" defendant would most often be found to have met the "knowing" criteria; the bar is that of foresight or knowledge (including constructed knowledge in some jurisdictions) of "merely" physical harm that is likely to cause grievous injury or death. No metaphysics required.

For example, acting to cause the stoppage of breath (that "happened" to result in death) is an automatic pass for murder in many common law countries.

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

I expect to see them say bike riding is a form of protest, and he was afraid. 😆

[-] manxu@piefed.social 17 points 3 days ago

Agreed, intent is hard to prove. That's why the law also says, "knowingly." He definitely knew he could kill someone by hitting them with his car.

The man had priors for reckless driving, according to the article. And a bunch of other things.

[-] mkwt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

just to hit them and teach them to stay off the road

That right there is intent to commit "an act dangerous to human life" under the Texas murder statute quoted above.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 2 days ago

So when I shot my ex in the spine, it wasn't murder. I was only trying to paralyze them.

[-] its_kim_love 4 points 2 days ago

That 'or knowingly' closes the door on that hinge.

[-] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

ianal, but I don't think they could be charged with both murder and manslaughter. Wouldn't that violate double jeopardy? Otherwise there would be absurdities where people get charged with the whole spectrum of criminal intent just to see what sticks. (Which does totally happen anyway, when they can get away with it.)

[-] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Though we all think we know what happened, intentionally and/or knowingly are much harder to prove. It has to be "beyond reasonable doubt". So if the available facts don't back that up, a manslaughter case could be a much safer way to get a conviction. It could be bumped up to murder if new facts come to light as part of the investigation, though.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Oh good. I came here to say exactly this. Good to know this isn't something I'd have posted a comment for,and have everybody tell me I'm wrong. When I'm clearly right.

Like how GIF is pronounced. The Q, Z, and R are not silent, but they are invisable. The other 44 letters are silent AND invisable.

[-] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

c/UsernameChecksOut

[-] Ash@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago

You may not be surprised to learn that the only thing that kills more children in the USA than guns (15%) is.... motor vehicles (20%). (Not including pollution, climate change)

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

the last 2 takes decades to have any significant impact on a person.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

As someone who gets around town on two wheels, I really, really fucking hate that it's expected of me to be the one cognizant of danger and not the motherfucker behind the wheel of a massive, metal death machine.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

As someone who spends far more time behind the wheel of a metal death machine (though not a massive one) than on two wheels, I agree.

[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

As a fellow two-wheeler, 🤝

[-] dan69@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

I like this explanation but I’m no way some one who drives can not be excluded from murder. But isn’t also pre-meditated murder bc you had the option ‘physically stopped the car and reversed’.. No matter the circumstance weather it was intentional to not hit a ‘unintended’ - all sounds too meditated. They had the ability to disengage and not car if thier 2tn vehicle to be used as tank bullet..

[-] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 23 points 3 days ago

This will result in better pedestrian and cyclist laws right? I'm tired of being harassed and hit on my bike even in the bike lanes by vehicles.

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago

It’s Texas. They’re going to remove bike infrastructure because this proves it’s unsafe. 😆

[-] mjr@infosec.pub 5 points 2 days ago

Never has before without mass protest and there aren't enough critical massers in the USA.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

We have ok numbers in some cities, but they are too spread out to get anything done at a large scale.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 18 points 2 days ago

This is America, where we blather endlessly about "freedom," but god forbid you actually try to exercise it or people will casually threaten to murder you. Or, as in this case, actually murder you.

[-] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the older I get the more I feel like the whole freedom thing we were spoon fed is just a bunch of bullshit.

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