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[-] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 69 points 6 days ago

I remember the countdown people had for when Maisie Williams was 18 and could do a nude scene and just being so disappointed in fellow men. I just can't understand the shameless entitlement some have.

[-] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 28 points 6 days ago

I remember being in the car with my father, and in the month or so leading up to the Olsen twins turning 18, it seemed like all his talk radio channels just switched to how much all these 50+ year old guys calling into afternoon sports shows couldn't wait until they could finally have their shot at seducing them without it automatically getting them criminal charges, and how they'd been waiting for this for years since the twins were so hot. It was gross and weird AF, even for the time.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Same thing happens for any young actress. It's societal rot and cancerous fed by the media's obsession with celebrity and sex.

[-] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 10 points 5 days ago

What always gets me about these creepy countdowns.

They ALSO act like it means everything is now fair game.

Like "Look at this photoshop of a 2 year old photo, but its cool now because she is 18, nevermind she was not in THIS photo."

Its fucking gross.

[-] zikzak025@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

And if it wasn't gross enough, I'm pretty sure her character still wasn't meant to be 18.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago
[-] Cherry@piefed.social 59 points 6 days ago

Yeh it was expected for quite a few of the female leads…but not of the men. She has a fair point, in terms of fans voicing this. Her body her choice.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Expected of whom? From what it seems all of the actors/actresses were offered a double, and some didn't accept them. This actress was pregnant during the walk of shame filming, so both the directors and her wanted a body double. (I wanted to be mad at the directors/studio... But couldn't find anything about an actress saying they weren't offered a double)

[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 59 points 6 days ago

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/nov/20/emilia-clarke-game-of-thrones-nude-scenes-were-terrifying

Emilia Clarke has revealed she felt uncomfortable acting in some of her nude scenes in Game Of Thrones.

. . .

Clarke, who was 23 when she started filming Game Of Thrones, said she would be in tears before shooting certain “terrifying” nude scenes.

. . .

“I’ve never been on a film set like this before. I’d been on a film set twice before then, and I’m now on a film set completely naked with all of these people, and I don’t know what I’m meant to do, and I don’t know what’s expected of me, and I don’t know what you want, and I don’t know what I want.

“Regardless of there being nudity or not, I would have spent that first season thinking I’m not worthy of requiring anything. I’m not worthy of needing anything at all.”

She later demanded fewer nude scenes. It probably would've gone a lot differently with an intimacy coordinator advocating for her on set.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

So she was offered a body double for nude scenes (before any nude scenes was filmed in season 1), turned it down without understanding how many scenes she would film. Yeah an intamacy coordinator probably would have been best for all nude scenes on the show. But I wouldnt say she wasn't offered a double, it sounds like she wishes once she realized how many scenes were being shot nude she said get a double sooner. As she went on to later to do nude scenes in the series because she wanted more control over the character during those scenes.

That said, taking the role of a young woman in an incestuous family who you know gets raped in the first season and aspires to work her way to the thrown currently held by an incestuous brother/sister fucking family... The pressures had to by high as a young actress to not say I don't want to be remembered for performing those sex scenes.

[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

But being offered a body double doesn't mean there wasn't expectation or pressure. It's being presented a script and being told 'This is the scene. Do you want to do the work or do you want someone else to do it?' Her portrayal of the character is not just her face and voice. It's how she embodies the character, including her movement. It's understandable to not want important parts of that portrayal performed by someone else. There's also immense pressure on young actors, especially women, to not be a source of friction on set. People who get a reputation for being "difficult" struggle to find work.

I don't think this is necessarily the fault of studios or directors. Pressure isn't just using power to compel behaviour. I'm sure most of the people she worked with would have been horrified to find out she felt that way. It just takes more than having nice people on set to overcome that power imbalance. The situation could have been writers and directors thinking that she'd say something if she felt uncomfortable and her feeling like it's not appropriate for her to say something. Even assuming best intentions from everyone, it was still a shitty outcome for her. An important part of an intimacy coordinator's job is to be friction on set to take the burden off those performers. And instead of it being a question of whether she or someone else will do the work, the question becomes, "how can we construct this scene so our performers feel safe and comfortable?"

[-] Cherry@piefed.social 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I never thought the scenes with Emilia Clarke fully naked were needed. They didn’t add anything to the story. Any intent could have been done in a different way, I’m glad tv shows are gwtting past the age of adding the obligatory sex scene where 9/10 times it’s a young female who is on display.

I will note GOT was somewhat different in that some men were also fully naked, but that was for more violent effect (Alfie Allen) or mockery (hodor). Not saying that’s a good reason either. Curious if they felt pressure to do it? Also curious if the fans have made comments about those appearances.

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[-] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 39 points 6 days ago

Definitely men bad gross, for sure for sure.

Buuuuut... I think the real villains are the other men, not the ones getting angry and entitled, but the network execs and ad companies, most of whom are men, that tease here and there, and promote scantily clad photos on billboards or magazines, or write articles or press releases to tempt people.

Sex sells, they say, but sex only sells if you have a market of sex-starved marks who have enough pressure built up over the years of campaigns that when they hear Actress A that's been all over the place nearly slips a nip in this one, they're like "well shit, I've gotta see that"

I don't blame the actresses. Their industry has told them they only get to do their art if it attracts an audience of Men, the only market worth pursuing somehow even in the far flung future of 2026, so the women that want to be allowed to act have to give the men at the ad companies and film studios what they want. And what they want is a career timeline from demure to saucy to scandalous to breasts to nude so each film release can play on pushing the envelope just slightly further than the last one, capitalizing on the demand built up by the previous release, and they can ride that rollercoaster for as long as possible before having to pick another girl.

And the sexually frustrated target men are victims of a different kind. Not of the women, as the incels would have you believe, but of the other men. Because by and large, the women don't want to be in sex scenes, they don't want to flash tatas, or have yet another shower scene for no damn reason. They want to tell stories that are meaningful and emotional and resonant. But so often they're tools for Powerful Men to steal money from Powerless Men, used up and cast aside. And then the frustrated jackasses get mad at the women for it. It's a win-win...

And to be clear, I'm not saying women should be ashamed of their bodies and stay covered up at all times. Quite the opposite! The "pressure" comes from repression. We can walk through a store full of magazines with half-naked people on them, and it would be easy to say "look how liberated this all is, there's skin everywhere", but it's not liberation, it's sexualization. Because it isn't casual skin, it's not relaxed, it's created specifically to titilate, to produce demand, to build pressure.

I have no data on this, but I presume actresses aren't being accosted by naturalists/nudists. They're probably not getting hate mail by people embedded within a kink community. The people with, in my biased view, outlets and balance, with respect for sex and bodies, aren't as susceptible to the machine.

Well, I should have gone to bed an hour ago, because apparently I'm in a mood. 😅

[-] nemo24601@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Aligned with this, there was a Oscars ceremony in which some comedian sang "We saw your tits" as the camera went over the faces of the actresses in attendance. It was played for laughs and I don't know the real intention of the comedian, but it opened my eyes to the appalling reality of normalized pressure on women to accept nudity on Hollywood for the benefit of powerful men. It felt so gross I always remember it whenever an unnecessary nudity scene comes up. And in GoT it was a lot of times.

Basically, it feels like: "do you want a career? Get nude because I say so, so everybody can see that you bend to my will. We will see you nude or else."

Kudos to this actress for not playing along.

[-] Cherry@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago

I also love this take. Keep up the mood rants!

[-] justaman123@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Yeah!! Your mood is awesome! But yeah sleep hygiene is tough

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago

Brilliant, this needs to be its own article.

[-] nullspace@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

scorned her on social media

Another case of the smallest minority creating the loudest noise. Of course the people who would be upset over a body double would be losing their shit over it. They bitch about everything.

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 46 points 6 days ago

Who would watch that walk of shame scene and be all “I wish it wasn’t a double, that scene makes me so horny, I’m going to send her hate mail and post online!”

These people need to touch grass.

[-] barooboodoo@lemmy.zip 22 points 6 days ago

You know what they say, when people tell you who they are, listen. Frickin gross ass people.

[-] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Never knew it was a body double. I'll probably forget it was in about 15 mins. Then continue to not care. I still remember that Shame Bell though. Classic lol

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 27 points 6 days ago

Men Who Don't Give a Shit About the Person They Masturbate To Suddenly Angry They Masturbated To the Wrong Person.

[-] f1error@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

I didn't care for GoT, but I loved her in Dredd. And she didn't get naked there; if she had, it would have ruined the movie. Lena should be a leading actor in Hollywood, but alas, the pedos are in charge.

I watched 2.5 seasons of GoT before I gave up. I thought it sucked, far too much violence and nudity that DID NOT add to the story. If you like GoT, good for you. But for me, it's shit.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

It's definitely shit but well funded shit. For me it was worth it just to see the sets and costumes.

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 24 points 6 days ago

I mean, I could understand some horndog weirdo being disappointed, but mad? Definitely the kind of people that need to be on a list... On that list when you're in front of a judge for SA anything? Congrats, you get the max!

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I don't care either way, but the idea of a body double for nudity is kind of sad. People feel so ashamed of their body that they feel they need someone to stand in for them.

[-] werty@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago

Can't they just like their privacy? Why do you make it about shame? Who are to judge someone for not wanting get naked?

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 4 days ago

It's not shame. She set a boundary. Get over it ya sook

[-] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

I wouldn't have guessed it was Lena Headey's decision to bring in a body double instead of just not having her character being depicted being nude.

[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 13 points 6 days ago

Eew. Go watch porn.

I remember my mom asking me to be at her watch party for the finale (I didn’t watch the show). At the end of the episode, one of her male friends made a comment about being disappointed by the lack of nudity. It was gross to hear that.

[-] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Honestly I fucking hate that show. I watched the first episode and had to turn it off. It’s literally just porn.

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[-] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

What did she expect?

I personally didn't like GoT because of the nudity but a lot of people loved that aspect. And when a show features so much nudity, it creates an expectation and sets a standard for the series. Someone who willingly signed up for this deserves the the outrage for not meeting the standard. But that ultimately doesn't mean she should be forced to do it, just that she shouldn't be "shocked" given what the show is.

[-] prole 8 points 5 days ago

FYI her character goes nude in the scene, they just used a body double.

Still understand the anger?

[-] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

It actually doesn't change what I think and maybe even further strengthens what I believe. GoT is a very sexual show which can create a lot of weird behavior from the audience. A huge aspect of it is literally porn and it's not hard to realize that a lot of viewers are there for the porn. When those are your viewers, I can see a lot of people acting irrationally.

It's the same irrational mentality with people who think parents can only love their children if they are biological. I've come to accept that a good chunk of people have a hard time grasping sexual and biological ideas in general. So if a show dares to delve into these topics, then they should expect and prepare for irrational behavior.

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[-] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago

I don't get this line of thought. Does that mean we need to be mad that Hodor or Arya didn't get naked too? It just sounds like you're saying that because there's some nudity people are owed nudity from all the actors.

[-] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

I agree with your point but I find it funny you picked those characters because they both did get nude lol

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[-] homes@piefed.world 8 points 6 days ago

Didn’t she go nude? I was pretty sure she did.

[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 27 points 6 days ago

RTFA:

Headey found herself in the middle of backlash when she decided to use a body double in “Game of Thrones” Season 5 during her character’s naked walk of shame. When it was revealed that a body double and some CGI were used for the nude scene, some “Thrones” fans scorned her on social media.

Tons of CGI and body doubles for nudes in movies and tv.

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[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago

Though Headey would perform the walk herself, a nude body double would walk next to her, and Headey's head would later be superimposed onto the double's body using CGI. https://www.looper.com/262897/the-truth-about-filming-cersei-lannisters-walk-of-shame-on-game-of-thrones/

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[-] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

Ive fallen in love with this woman

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