My biggest problem with NuTrek is that it's too dark. Not in a "thematic" sense but in "projected photons" sense. I feel like I'm straining my eyes to see what's happening on the the set.
It's one of the reasons I loved Lower Decks so much. I could see what was happening.
Excuse me. Pint of order. I never grew up.
I'll have a pint of order too.
I'll take a shot of perspective
The difference now isn't a matter of woke vs not woke. The stories have become way more interpersonal drama rather than the older sci-fi focused story telling style, and that just happens to make it seem like there are more woke issues being featured.
At least that's my take on it.
That's probably a good way of putting it. It seems like there is a greater appetite for personal narrative driven drama in general of late. I prefer a more plot driven narrative probably because I deal with personal narratives more than I'd like to already IRL.
When did it become woke? The Cage. When there was a competent women wearing pants, as 2nd in command and not used as a damsel where Pike occasionally slapped her ass and called her toots.
You forgot even having a black woman as a main character. Even if she was essentially just a space secretary.
where Pike occasionally slapped her ass and called her toots.
Omg imagine if it was tho
Not to mention a black woman as communications officer on the bridge. All this happens within the first few … seconds of the pilot?
Not to mention a black woman as communications officer on the bridge.
Uhura doesn't show up until The Corbomite Maneuver in this shot:
So obviously it became woke in the 3rd episode of The Original Series. /s
Conservatives hated star trek when it first aired in the 60s.
There isn't a single thing in life that they can just accept as it is.
If they don't control it they can't accept it
I will say how awesome would it be if children came out genderless till adulthood then they touch a seashell to pick on their 18th birthday. Solve so may problems. STEM becomes more accessible to woman. No pink tax on toys.
Ursula K. Le Guin has entered the chat.
"Left Hand of Darkness" posits a human like society where people can morph between sexes.
Iain M. Bank's Culture series also has people shifting between sexes. It's just a thought process and time for them. One of the books the main character has switched a few times but is currently a male and one of his friends is transitioning.
It's even seen as a little weird if you don't try it at least once.
"The Ophiuchi Hotline" by John Varley
A lot of body swapping in this book. Very underrated writer in my opinion
Monkeys paw curls, person chose wrong.
1966 is the answer
It didn’t become woke after Enterprise, just mostly shitty. With showrunners that like to hide behind the supposed wokeness as a defense against criticism and rightwing assholes happily blaming the shittiness on wokeness.
This, well said
I got banned from one of the Star Trex instances for saying I don't like new trek.
It's not my fault the writing is shit. Try lasting for more than 3 seasons and then defend the show.
It sucks that the smokescreen of conservatives hating new trek for being too woke exists because part of the problem with new trek is that it's fake woke. It wears the face of progressivism like a skin mask while being a bland representation of an ideal future as imagined by a past era of liberalism that no longer exists.
I have the same problem with the MCU.
There are certain projects that I don't like just because they suck, not because they have women or minorities.
I like SNW and LD. disc has its moments, and I am perfectly fine seeing alternate universe starfleet. Haven't watched Picard. Probably won't.
It's okay to not like something.
I also wish the writing were a little better, but we can't all be Measure of a Man or Inner Light.
Also remember those older sites had stinker bottle episodes along with the award winning great ones. But we can always just skip them, unlike now where everything (except SNW) is a serialized story where no episodes can be shipped without missing details on the overall story. Some characters talk for one scene and it's like 1/3 of their entire screentime on the show.
I liked all of them (mainly because i like most movies and tv shows, i'm a simple man) but I also respect other people opinions.
I just don't understand a significant minority of people's opinion that they should yuck someone else's yum. How hard is it for people to just be nice? Kindness is free after all.
I feel similarly to you. Also I'm expecting the next series to come out and people to start slowly finding things they like about disco trek.
It was shitty writing with zero subtly.
Kinda like the original Footloose where it introduces how strongly against dancing the reverend and town is and only later does it slowly build to the revelation his son died after a night of partying.
But the remake has to open with the party and deaths, funeral and banning dancing.
Mark of gideon. Kirk basically fights an entire planet over abortion rights
The original series also features old the first interracial kiss ever televised.
That’s actually not true. It is argued that I Love Lucy had the first interracial kiss broadcast in the United States. Second to that is William Shatner again with France Nuyen from “Elaan of Troyius” on an episode of The Ed Sullivan Show in ‘58.
Desilu was integral to the production of Star Trek anyway, so I'm happy to give them credit. Woke, the lot of 'em.
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