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It didn’t become woke after Enterprise, just mostly shitty. With showrunners that like to hide behind the supposed wokeness as a defense against criticism and rightwing assholes happily blaming the shittiness on wokeness.
exactly this, Kurtzman and the paramount executives were determining the type of content that was coming out of trek. sooner or later TREK franchise was going to run into problems with ELISION eventually.
In hindsight this is what cancelled the SG reboot again, the executives wanted more "audience", they got mad when the showrunners dint go thier way and cancelled the "new series".
And I remember the times when Trekkies trashed Enterprise and Voyager as bad and the bottom of the barrel. I always got good and bad from every incarnation of Star Trek. Sometimes the good outweighs the bad like TNG and Deep Space 9 and sometimes it's the other way around like Enterprise and Discovery.
now everyone mournes enterprise and voyager, because compared to nutrek, they were pretty decent.
This, well said
I got banned from one of the Star Trex instances for saying I don't like new trek.
It's not my fault the writing is shit. Try lasting for more than 3 seasons and then defend the show.
same, why is trek communities so holier than thou, gatekept? i suspect alot of them are the nu-fans. when i criticized the writing, and why they have to include so much characthers that were the exact oppsoite of og trek, comment removed from those instances. there was a user here that was obsessed with the lgbtq+ couple in std(i think you know who it is, who had a mental breakdown while on lemmy because he was spending alot of time defending his nutrek positions on mutliple platforms), i dont think they played a big role in the show just because they were lgbtq+
It sucks that the smokescreen of conservatives hating new trek for being too woke exists because part of the problem with new trek is that it's fake woke. It wears the face of progressivism like a skin mask while being a bland representation of an ideal future as imagined by a past era of liberalism that no longer exists.
I have the same problem with the MCU.
There are certain projects that I don't like just because they suck, not because they have women or minorities.
MCU is pretty much BOBs fault for having streaming, he wanted it to justify the cost of the streaming servicing pushing out slop after slop. from what ive seen, mcu movies, and shows were just promoting the next show or movies.
I like SNW and LD. disc has its moments, and I am perfectly fine seeing alternate universe starfleet. Haven't watched Picard. Probably won't.
It's okay to not like something.
I also wish the writing were a little better, but we can't all be Measure of a Man or Inner Light.
picard is almost as bad as STD, I wouldnt watch it(how can they drop the borg alliance in season 2, when season 3 came around(plus too many continuity errors in season 3 that were resolved in old trek(like Changelings, the borg queen that died in voyager endgame, it was also quite clear that most of the material was lifted from non-canon novels that fans wrote). LD and prodigy were quite different, and i think hold a better candle to the 3 main series.
I liked all of them (mainly because i like most movies and tv shows, i'm a simple man) but I also respect other people opinions.
I just don't understand a significant minority of people's opinion that they should yuck someone else's yum. How hard is it for people to just be nice? Kindness is free after all.
I feel similarly to you. Also I'm expecting the next series to come out and people to start slowly finding things they like about disco trek.
Also remember those older sites had stinker bottle episodes along with the award winning great ones. But we can always just skip them, unlike now where everything (except SNW) is a serialized story where no episodes can be shipped without missing details on the overall story. Some characters talk for one scene and it's like 1/3 of their entire screentime on the show.
It was shitty writing with zero subtly.
Kinda like the original Footloose where it introduces how strongly against dancing the reverend and town is and only later does it slowly build to the revelation his son died after a night of partying.
But the remake has to open with the party and deaths, funeral and banning dancing.