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[-] SnotFlickerman 108 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Isn't this enough proof that these chucklefucks are a drain on company resources and time and the FIRST thing to replace AI with is the bosses so workers can organize collectively while the AI helps them stay organized without the AI being in control.

I mean, I guess that would make too much sense.

Genuinely though, if the first thing they do with AI is outsource their own decision making, isn't it just rock solid evidence that these people are useless at their fucking jobs to begin with? They aren't even making the decisions anymore, the AI is. Let's cut out the middleman, which is all a boss is now if AI is running the show. I mean, it's what they did with all the junior developers, because they had forced the juniors into using AI and then asked themselves "why not cut out the middleman." And they hadn't even considered that maybe the cost of AI would outpace the cost of an employee. How the fuck are these short term thinking idiots in fucking charge anyway? A lot of bosses are just fucking charlatans.

EDIT: Clarified first sentence.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 month ago

They're also probably the only employees who can be replaced by AI at a cost savings because of their hugely inflated compensation.

[-] bagsy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

HR is there to manage benefits mostly. if the US went to medicare for all, and done away with employer sponsored health care, then a ton of HR could go away. Company culture might actually improve for once.

[-] Mikina@programming.dev 18 points 1 month ago

My partner works in HR, and from what I've heard about her stories from her job, this is nowhere near true. Anecdotal evidence, though.

There is a lot of paperwork that needs to be done. If everyone could follow simple, written and documented directions that have actual pictures about how to fill the form you have to fill, you could have a lot less HR people.

But majority of employees are not able to. They have to remind them dozens of times and chase people who didn't do it unless personally threatened. They have to constantly answer questions that are very well documented. They have to parse out information that finances should be able to access, but they need it directly copied from the systems.

It sounds like hell of a job, that would've been so much easier if people were able to follow simple instructions. And the kind of people that can't follow a step-by-step guide that had 5 notifications about needing to be done in a Slack channel won't do it if some AI is telling them to.

From what I've heard, she is just managing disasters that could be a legal problem, always chasing people who don't care about their annoying beraucracy that could cause a lot of trouble.

I have a lot more respect for HR after seeing it from the other side.

[-] bagsy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Fair enough. I suppose I'm showing my bias. The only time I ever deal with HR is for open enrollment.

[-] SnotFlickerman 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

True, but I still think there would be plenty for HR to be mediating in terms of employee-to-employee relationships. However, it's a big ask for HR to stop being a "cover your ass" department that is otherwise dedicated to making sure things like sexual harassment and hostile workplace environments don't impact the company itself despite existing in the company all the same. Because that too is a large function of HR.

[-] louloukoutsis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

It’s okay, they will need all the devs they can get when they realise how much AI has messed up their codebases lol

[-] SnotFlickerman 6 points 1 month ago

Like how Ford just had to hire back all their old greybeard engineers after the AI was not actually up to snuff (shocker).

[-] darth_grunkus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Not all. Just a select few. To help the AI.

[-] juanito_the_great@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Indeed, but lets see how this story develops. I've done my share of messing up repos with genAI, plus have some background in ML... these gives me the intuition that hiring back seniors to "fix the AI" is not going to cut it.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Yes. The managers are the most replaceable.

They're too dumb to realize this, though... And they're in charge...

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Well capitalism is darwinistic. They'll probably disappear.

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[-] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 month ago

The boss at a place I used to work is all in on AI bullshit. My friend works for the company remotely. He says the boss sends him massively long email, constructed by AI, full of rambling half ideas. He said he used to try to pick through it and reply appropriately and professionally. The boss would feed that into AI and copy/paste the reply back.

Now my friend doesn't even read the email. He throws it into AI, tells AI to craft a well thought out reply, and just sends that back at the boss. He told me if the boss won't personally read and reply, he won't either.

Last time I talked with him he said the email chain has been going over 4 months, it's still going on, but he has no idea what it's about anymore.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

if a colleague tells me to ask AI or gives me a response from AI again I will fucking kill somebody

[-] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

I used to be in IT for years. I left around covid period.

I'm SO HAPPY right now. AI drives me insane as it is. I can't imagine working in an office having people making idiot decisions because it's what AI recommended.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago

Rest assured, they would be making more idiotic decisions without AI assistance. AI is just reinforcing what they already think, but occasionally (maybe 12% of the time) it might nudge them in a better direction.

[-] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Last company I worked for was about 85% of phasing out HR for AI. It was a nightmare for new hires, checking benefits, changing benefits, and so on... Also it was zero tolerant in firing decisions and the humans they had left never strayed from AI's recommendations.

They started trying w/ IT but was such a disaster the put it on the back burner.

[-] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

I'm all for pushing hr out first. I mean how hard is that job anyway? Every question has the same answer: "well you should check the internal hr site." Thanks for nothing, i did that first because it would have saved me the trouble of dealing with your useless ass. I need to understand how I can buy a new hire in india out of the waiting period from their current employer. If you would put useful things on the site, that might help, but you don't. And then you don't know the answer and punt to legal AGAIN. I could save us both a lot of time and talk to them directly. If your only value is being a proxy to legal, bring on the fucking ai.

[-] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 3 points 1 month ago

If your only value is being a proxy to legal, bring on the fucking ai

Bingo

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[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the humans they had left never strayed from AI’s recommendations.

That's a very real problem in all fields that take instructions from faceless machines. All the way back to Milgram.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago

Clearly the AI needs to be trained to answer that the CEOs should be fired. They cost the most and contribute the least, especially since they have shown they're replaceable with AI.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

Cool fire the bosses then. The AI is doing their work anyway.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

"I'm sure enough people don't compliment you for your courage and insight, but this is truly an amazing question. And being able to ask, "I have no idea what I'm doing , how do I not ruin everything and embarrass myself in front of my frat bros that I hired as VPs?" is so brave and it also shows just how humble you are to be open to learning even though you are at the absolute top of your field!"

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[-] ech@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago

When you're so obsessed with getting LLMs to replace your employees that you end up using it to replace you.

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Honestly, if there are jobs that could best be replaced by AI, it seems that management could be high on that list. I'm sure many of us have had shitty managers and know how disastrous that can be for productivity. In some cases an algorithm would definitely have done better. It could hardly have done worse.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago

Big organizations are constantly trying to optimize the middle layers. Do you have a 5:1 reporting ratio so the manager really knows what everybody is doing, or do you have a 25:1 reporting ratio and cut out half the layers in the "telephone" miscommunication up the chain game? Seems like AI tools could bump up the optimal ration a little, if they're used well, but middle managers aren't the first group I'd pick to use something like an AI agent "well."

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[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

One of the only benefits of this technology is that it will expose the incompetence of management. They can't hide their stupid now.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago

Oh, they will continue to hide their stupid as un-successfully as they always have. Some get away with it for a day, some for a quarter, some for many years.

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[-] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

So, basically shitty bosses are shitty?

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 6 points 1 month ago

The sycophantic LLM behavior phenomenon is very real. LLMs will tell you what you want to hear, so yes, if shitty bosses want to hear how great they are, they've got a new friend (maybe their only one...)

[-] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Reverse centaur"

(According to Cory Doctorow, a 'centaur' is a human augmented by tech, and a 'reverse centaur' is a human who is a mere meaty appendage to a tech system)

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[-] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Am a boss. No we aren't.

I use it to interrogate our wikis and SharePoint, sprint data. It keeps me from having to ask my employees dumb questions.

I use it to dig up info on stuff I don't know about so I can make informed decisions or reduce the length of meeting because I can come prepared.

People love to talk about slop like it is something new and can only be made by ai. Spoiler, people (such as the author of this dumb piece) have been making it for a long time.

[-] Mondez@lemdro.id 15 points 1 month ago

If you are looking up something you don't know about, how do you know the info provided us correct?

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[-] Makruba 5 points 1 month ago

Spot on. It eliminates some tedious busywork, which is nice, but it’s not a game changer for me, at least not yet.

[-] natecox@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

I am a boss, too. Yes, we absolutely are. It's straight up stupid to pretend this isn't an emerging catastrophie today.

"But not all bosses!" Etc, etc.

Enough bosses.

[-] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You literally don't know if the information you're being given is accurate. Meaning you're not making informed decisions.

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 3 points 1 month ago

Using a summary written by a soulless lie machine is irresponsible

[-] theblurstoftimes@leminal.space 8 points 1 month ago

Sounds like the bosses positions should be cut then. If the default is ai then let the ai. No need for those positions and there I saved you a bunch of money.

[-] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

Sounds like the bosses positions should be cut then.

And in a worker cooperative that's exactly what would happen.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

This started over a year and a half ago at my company.

Over half my department was fired, and now they are forcing us to give assessments on AI tools to replace the jobs of the rest of us.

We're so fucked, guys. This isn't just where I work, it's most places from what I'm hearing.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 4 points 1 month ago

The writing was on the wall when that many layoffs happened. If they're that willing to take that kind of risk, they've been on insecure financial footing for a while. Best move on ASAP.

Last time I job-hopped was when my CEO took a tour of the R&D department, chewing each of us out individually, complaining how we're too expensive and he can't afford us... a job offer came through the next day and I was out in 2 weeks. They asked why I was leaving, all too simple: you remember Mr. "I had a bad day in sales, so I took my insecurities out on the R&D guys" tirade? Yeah, that was a big factor.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Hey let's be fair here, we already had bosses barraging their employees with nonsensical directives long before LLMs lol

[-] DevDave@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

There is a premade meal delivery service with possibly the best product right now on the market. Unfortunately after I did a deep dive on them to figure out why their customer service sucked so much, I found the head of their "customer experience" had liked/heart emoji'd these two AI companies.

After telling my experience to another dev, they noticed an advert by an AI company boasting how they provided an service for them.

For tech savy people, the heart of the problem is because they used the user email address as the primary key in multiple places. So not only a varchar primary key but a natural one to boot! Not even a drop in the bucket but they lost ~10K USD of revenue for what should have been a 1 minute begin; update... SQL command by the DBA. Though the large amounts of AI makes me think they fucked themselves on that too. Another reason I suspect that; they had a data breach at the start of the month but haven't made a public statement or warned their customers. Might not even know, might not know how it happened, and how much was stolen.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I'm so glad I don't work anymore.

[-] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 3 points 1 month ago

Company owners that were lucky enough to get a company of the ground are themselves too stupid so they put stupid people in charge to maximise profits before the company inevitably crashes and burns.

Biggest problem with this idiotic company structure is the working people that are swindled out of their hard earned money because of rules made by criminals to protect themselves and other criminals.

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