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[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 month ago

I'm a dev at work with 1 dev Jr dev under me.

We are in desperate need of another jr dev. But my work rather spend tokens.

So I setup agentic workflows which works 90% of the time. The 10% requires a me, a senior developer to babysit the workflow. My hourly cost are significantly higher.

After calculating the token usage and my hourly rate there are still some savings using the agentic workflows. But not much.

But we end up sacrificing is a pool of junior developers that I can train to be a senior. If I ever leave the company the entire company is screwed.

[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If I ever leave the company the entire company is screwed.

Yes. This has happened before, and it will happen again.

The time is coming soon for another bidding war on talent, and for all losers in the bidding war to pick up a lifetime subscription to "our software works for another month" from overpriced consulting agencies.

It is incredibly preventable, but you can't fix average CEO levels of stupid.

Edit: The funny part is that this next time the bidding losers will also have an AI token passthrough surcharge that is "pinky promise, only the token costs of your contract and definitely not subsidizing Todd's recreational use".

[-] prole 3 points 1 month ago

You sacrifice far more than that, it's just not all immediately apparent

[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Agreed. The entire industry engineer/developer industry is fucked.

[-] Atropos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Hearing all this stuff makes me soooo glad I switched from CS to mechanical halfway through college. I'm safe for a little longer...

[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Ya, I think your industry is safe.

[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

(/¯ ಠ_ಠ)/¯ so glad for you.

[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I’m looking for an intro dev role. You just confirmed why I’m not getting interviews.

[-] minty@aussie.zone 17 points 1 month ago

How much of that use is "forced"? If people use google they're using AI whenever they search

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Exactly: the numbers that are being cited by the companies which have a vested interest in pumping up LLM usage stats, even if it’s just the appearance thereof, are - surprise, surprise - fundamentally biased. And of course, the spineless fuckwit generation of journalists that most of the populace uncritically relies upon fail to dig any deeper than the first-order patterns in the data, or to point out the likely obvious biases.

This is not hard-hitting journalism. This is the appearance of hard-hitting journalism.

[-] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

And one can’t control what their employer forces them to use. 40 hours per week I am forced to be all in regarding Microslop products.

[-] minty@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago

My company is forcing ai down my throat aswell :(

Suck to be anti ai and in tech

[-] uriel238 13 points 1 month ago

I'm sure that the majority of smokers do not believe that tobacco production or consumption is a benefit to society.

[-] eestileib 12 points 2 months ago

49%

This is going to be worse than leaded gas

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

At least this can be reversed, probably. Brain damage from lead is permanent.

[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Can be, but probably won't be.:(

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

I'm hopeful that once people have to pay the unsubsidized cost of using LLMs, the bubble will pop and it'll pass, like the blockchain bullshit.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

If you run a local model, you don't have to pay for tokens.

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

If anything... 49% sounds low, considering how many of these shit-tier chat bots are becoming required. Nobody is choosing to use them, given the choice, and the companies that force it are all losing market share because of it.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

100% of Americans (rounded to the nearest 1%) participate in capitalism. How many of those actually support the system?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago

They're probably been mandated to use AI at work. I know we've been mandated to do it, they haven't actually started tracking you said yet but they've said they're going to.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Very likely. Everyone I know who's in a software development role is required to use these tools now.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I still have my suspicions about how that 49% is being measured, because if it counts any 'use' then technically using most search engines is using an LLM regardless of wether you want to or not, a lot of people are now also forced by their employers regardless of wether they want to or not.

[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago

I use ai chatbots like I used to use Google.

Google sucks now so AI chatbots tend to give direct answers at the moment. I know it’s a limited time before enshitification kicks in.

[-] mysteryhumpf@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

Do you click on the links to check if it’s actually true what they say?

[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Only if it’s important. Usually it’s just trivial stuff.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I still can't wrap my head around this. If you don't care whether or not the answer is true, why even bother asking in the first place?

It doesn't matter how trivial the question is. If it's worth asking, I want the right answer. If I didn't care, I wouldn't ask!

[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Not everything is a life or death situation. Nobody has time to verify all the sources on everything.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

That isn't the point. Why are you asking the question in the first place? If you don't care whether the answer is true or not, you could just make up your own answer and save yourself some typing.

[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

The type of questions I’m asking is “what’s are good add ons for oatmeal?” Just to get ideas.

Can you chill?

Asking that on google is a nightmare on a mobile device since every website seems to be made to crash every browser with how much crap they’re doing in the background.

[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sure, it's a wrong answer machine, but sometimes it's right, and it's almost always fast!

[-] Toribor@corndog.social 2 points 1 month ago

Generally when accuracy matters I ask for a direct link with proof and for the specific part of the doc that is related. I either get exactly that or it'll realize it's hallucinating and can't prove anything.

Hugely wasteful but unfortunately still faster than how unusable search has become.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Not op but I do with the google AI summary if I'm not able to reasonably verify its truthfulness against my own knowledge.

[-] 404found@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Have you googled anything lately? Sometimes you have to just AI because Google is retarded.

[-] Repelle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It’s so bad it drove me to finally pay for Kagi, which I must say is incredibly better than ddg or ecosia

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Kagi is highly intriguing but their prices put me off every time. $15CAD per month for a search engine is a hard pill to swallow. That's a higher cost than basically any other digital subscription that I pay or have paid at any point.

[-] Repelle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the price kept me away for a long time. I do now find it worth it but completely get that it wouldn’t be for many. So nice to be the consumer rather than the product, though.

[-] 404found@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I have never heard of Kagi. I'm going to have to look into it

[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Googling is now AI, thanks to Google.

[-] 404found@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

I feel like that happened by design. Slowly phase out a search engine so AI becomes the 'go to' product.

[-] e461h@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, and then it will be stuffed with ads and paywalled (or similar). Google is not your friend.

[-] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Of course chatbot use is rising when every shitty website replaced their support pages with one. What else can I do but use the stupid chatbot?

[-] Opal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

I don't pay for any, but I use AI. That doesn't mean that I don't think it is destructive to society. I would rather it fail and go away, but that doesn't seem likely.

[-] protist@retrofed.com 2 points 2 months ago

I use chatbots to make up strange stories about my former boss, who is incompetent, and share them with my former colleague. That's pretty much the only thing I've ever used an LLM for, yet I'm counted in this statistic

[-] scops@reddthat.com 17 points 2 months ago

Well... you should stop. Use that noggin and write some home grown anti-boss fanfic if you really want to keep down that road

[-] cleverotter68746@lemmy.1095.me 1 points 1 month ago

sanitation — it's fascinating how 'benefit society' is the core metric here, while chatbot use is almost double. I wonder if it's less about direct societal benefit and more about practical, individual utility in daily tasks? People might not see AI solving world hunger, but they're happy to use it for writing emails or debugging code. We've been looking at this from a developer's perspective, trying to bridge that gap between perceived 'benefit' and actual useful application. More on that if helpful at https://cxgo.ai/l/dUJxR7P.

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