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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by danielquinn@lemmy.ca to c/startrek@startrek.website

In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 67 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members

I hate that a man wearing a dress is considered crossdressing. Actually I hate that the term exists at all. Oh, to live in a world where people wore whatever they wanted and nobody gave a shit. Yes, I get that was the point of it being in the show. Just let me bitch and complain.

[-] leftascenter@jlai.lu 31 points 6 days ago

agreed. And tunics are gender neutral. Dresses are just mislabeled tunics.

[-] Mok98@feddit.it 8 points 6 days ago

Tunics and dresses are not the same. There is some overlap with the simpler dresses, yes but for one tunics hang on the shoulder while dresses don't necessarily.

[-] leftascenter@jlai.lu 5 points 6 days ago

Ah yes, I heard that theory about shoulderless tunics.

More seriously, dresses are a European middle-age evolution of the tunic for fashionable noblewomen. The whole gender-specific is kind of built in the concept of the word.

For real. It’s a skant, you philistines. It was the height of fashion and one of the officially accepted versions of the Starfleet crewman duty uniform as of 2364.

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago

I whole-heartedly agree.

[-] JakenVeina@midwest.social 10 points 5 days ago

My favorite answer:

1966

[-] mtpender@piefed.social 24 points 6 days ago

The better question is: "When did the Star Trek writers forget how to do their jobs?"

Seriously, New Trek has the most garbage-tier writing I've seen in a while. It's all just flashy effects and dumb characters. Old Trek had really interesting story lines that made you think, now New Trek treats the audience like we're idiots.

It’s not that they forgot to write it’s more likely that they don’t have the time, have an asshole production team that push metrics in their throat (the Paramount family is particularly racist but prefer money over their racism) and every good writers have been laid off for attempting unionization.

It’s sad but Star Trek is in its Enshitification phase and is going on and on and on …

[-] kboos1@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Don't have time? 90s Trek had 20+ episode seasons and a season every year, current Trek is 6 or 8 episodes every two years. While the production quality has gotten better, the writing has somehow gotten worse.

The time isn’t invest on the writing.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Well they’re doing it wrong then. Most TNG episodes were written by freelance writers, not by the show’s main writing staff. The freelance writers sold scripts to the show and the main writing staff would polish them up for production.

A freelance writer could spend years playing around with ideas before finishing a script to send in. The show didn’t care, they had plenty of other spec scripts to choose from.

[-] j4yc33@piefed.social 20 points 6 days ago

It's also notable we see the Starship Captain getting therapy and being emotionally vulnerable in the Pilot.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Not that notable. He got therapy for recurring nightmares and PTSD after his assimilation by the Borg. Dealing with his trauma was the central theme of s4e2 Family. It was some of Patrick Stewart’s best acting in the whole series, right up there with s5e25 The Inner Light.

What the show didn’t do was make his trauma and recovery an ongoing part of the series. That’s not because they wanted him to get over it, it’s because of the episodic nature of the show. For syndication to work, they needed most episodes to be self contained. This dramatically enhanced the show’s rewatchability, as should be the case for all great syndicated shows.

[-] j4yc33@piefed.social 5 points 4 days ago

I am talking about Pike in TOS' Pilot.

[-] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

It's a nonsensical question to begin with. Nobody will ask such a question and not be a troll so answering in any form is a defeat in itself.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 4 points 6 days ago

Anytime someone anywhere on the political spectrum uses the word "woke" without also defining what the fuck it's supposed to mean I just cannot take them seriously.

[-] cuchi@startrek.website 3 points 6 days ago

"Woke" as an insult? In 2017 or 2019 and forward, I remember see people saying "Ted Kaczynski" was the "first woke" and then become something insulting instead of something cool.

Is a silly internet word at the end of the day, like "larper" "chad" "based", trying to understand this words are like trying to speak with Darmok.

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