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[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 128 points 1 month ago

TL:DR: Poor scale and awareness due to being a niche brand, overly large aluminum body panels requiring either massive replacements or complicated welding, small shops guessing that it must be even more exotic and expensive than the CEO claims, and insurers shrugging and moving on because the volumes aren't hitting their financials hard enough for them to care.

[-] GorGor@startrek.website 44 points 1 month ago

welding aluminum requires TIG. It's harder and more specialized.

welding mild steel body panels are simple with equipment any body shop will have.

[-] kalpol@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Hell any home 120v wire welder can do mild steel. It is the cutting and shaping part that is hard.

[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

No, that's easy as well. It's the not breaking to pieces and looking like shit part that is hard.

[-] toynbee@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

Well hell, I've never welded anything and I struggle with those things in my daily life anyway.

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[-] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 90 points 1 month ago

I got into a fender bender with my Buick and they totalled it because the fender was worth half as much as the car. They're doing something very wrong in car design.

[-] Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Wrong for who?

[-] pageflight@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago

Slate' service partner blurb at least has some sound bites related to ease of repair. But aren't they also a 'our car only has 3 parts' company?

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Slate is the car for me.

No radio. No screens. A gas pedal, brakes, steering wheel, and manual windows.

[-] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 13 points 1 month ago

Is it still a gas pedal when the truck is electric :P

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 16 points 1 month ago

technically, it's an accelerator, but I've taken to calling it the "go pedal"

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[-] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Yea, just like the save icon is still a floppy disk.

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I want to be hype for it so bad, but I can't get behind buying a Bezosmobile. I really wish somebody else was behind it.

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[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I used to drive an Isuzu Trooper. I got rear-ended which totaled my car. Theoretically it was repairable, but when your car is old enough to vote it doesn't take much damage for it to get totaled.

There was other damage, but one thing that still pisses me off is that a few hundred bucks of that calculation was my spare tire cover, which had some cracks after the accident, and the insurance company would not let that drop.

It was a plastic shell that is mostly just decorative that covered the spare bolted to the back of my vehicle. I didn't care that it was cracked, it in no way affected the safety of my vehicle, I would have happily driven that car for another decade with it being cracked, if they slapped 5¢ worth of epoxy on it I would have been more than satisfied, or hurry they could have just thrown the damn thing away and I guess my spare would get a little dirtier that it would if it was covered.

But they had to include that in the repair cost estimate, and since it was kind of an uncommon older car, replacement spare tire covers were scarce and pricey and added a few hundred bucks onto the estimate.

I don't know if that was the thing that pushed me over the edge to a total loss but it certainly didn't help

I had a perfectly mechanically sound vehicle that was paid off, and could possibly still be on the road today, and instead I got stuck with a couple years of car payments on a car I liked less than that one.

[-] com@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago

Isuzu Trooper mentioned! Consumer Reports did them dirty with the rollover test rigging. Really hurt the sales. Glad to see them on the decline as a reputable information source.

Yeah the spare parts are an issue for less common vehicles. I was getting some Trooper parts from Australia before the tariffs messed that up for awhile. Really a shame how many cars are scrapped by insurance. Cash for clunkers not allowing parts to be sold also didn't help much.

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[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That's a Buick thing. Was it a CTS? I've seen two year old CTS total from small accidents because there were no parts available for it.

[-] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Envision. The car was worth like $18k but with labor the fender was about $7.5k and since that's over 40% of the value, it automatically totaled. I argued to no avail and almost kept it but the damage title wasn't worth it.

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[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The market is ripe for the equivalent of a wileys jeep ev. Cheap to buy, repair and capable with no frills.

[-] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 month ago

Make the software foss too and i'm in

[-] Joelk111@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I would die for a FOSS car. The main barrier for that is airbags, people could just disable them, which wouldn't be good or fair to their passengers or future owners. I also worry about other dumb stuff people would do with a foss car. Of course, I still want one.

[-] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

You can already do that though. Basically any truck just has a control on the dash to disable the passenger side airbag in case you neet to put a car seat there. You can also just remove the airbags in any existing vehicle as is. It really isn't hard to do. People are just hesitant to do so because if you screw up then you can set the airbag off.

More importantly though why would the software being foss effect the airbags? The airbags shouldn't be interacting with the vehicle software at all.

People have been doing dumb things with their cars since the invention of cars. Making them harder to repair via locked down software isn't the fix for that.

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[-] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Slate.. though who knows if it will ever materialize in the real world.

[-] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago

Isn't Slate a unibody design?

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[-] DriewielerPlusPlus@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

Dacia Spring (but that's probably not exported to the US which I guess you're from)

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[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

You are close to describing the Slate truck

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Too bad it’s backed by Bozos

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 67 points 1 month ago

We used a one-piece body side, and so that means if you damage like the rear fender, the repair operation, depending on the level of the damage, you can either do body work or you have to cut out a portion of the panel, re-weld the new panel on,

So, a problem of design that didn't really think about repairability

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I'm not even a mechanic and I can tell you that no car company thinks about repairability.

Hell, just replacing a consumable like the battery can be a major chore that requires far more disassembly than anyone with a functional braincell would consider appropriate on some cars.

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

You'd think cars, at least, will be built under the assumption they'll typically have to be repaired rather than replaced.

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[-] XLE@piefed.social 41 points 1 month ago

A GMC Hummer EV taillight costs an eye-watering $6,100 to replace, plus labor. The idea of having to replace one of Audi’s new adaptive Matrix LED headlight setups is something most people probably don’t want to stomach.

Audi made these adaptive light strips to fix the artificial problem of newer headlights being too bright compared to older ones.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile, only 30 years ago when we had sealed-beams in standardized shapes, you could replace a headlight for like $10. And the lens was actually glass instead of plastic prone to yellowing and abrasion.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago

Yeah and if you hit someone that glass shatters and stabs them. The plastic is shatter resistant.

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[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

Those lights were absolute garbage though and the vehicles that used them got half the gas mileage compared to new ones due to their blocky shape and lack of aerodynamics.

[-] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago

Somehow, people could still see in the dark.

[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

And the ones who couldn't see crashed.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

My Miata with pop-up sealed beams gets ~30 MPG. Any aerodynamic problems it has are due to being a convertible, not the headlights.

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[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 month ago

So funny story, I hit the back of my husband's Rivian on accident and we need to file a claim. I'm fucking terrified now.

[-] grinning_serpent@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I mean if it's just a fender bender, who cares? Bumpers are meant to bend. Do you think it was hit hard enough to cause actual structural damage?

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[-] west2seven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago

I like the rivian cars, but i have worked for years as a hardware engineer and i am 100 percent certain this was a known issue. I have seen design scrutinized on so much less and this is just such an obvious issue...

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Rivian and Tesla are trying to hit price points with lower volumes so they are 100% aiming to reduce manufacturing costs even if it creates scenarios like this.

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[-] Rooster326@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

If you don't scrutinize then you don't find any issues?

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[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

This is why it is such a shame that all the major auto manufacturers could not be bothered to produce a decent cheap EV. They have repairability figured out from the start. They already have dealers, parts, crash safety, etc all worked out.

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[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Whatever, fuck cars.

[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Just hammer it out bro

Hit the front with a hair dryer for a minute, then use a mallet from the inside

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Just drive it as is. When other road warriors see your battle scars, they'll know not to mess with you.

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