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Microsoft is working on a new project labeled Windows 'K2', intent on removing bloatware, reducing AI, and optimizing Windows 11 for gaming, with three focuses of 'performance, craft, and reliability'.

the issue is not about performance, is about enshitification. I mean, do we need TPM? do we need Microslop account to login our pc/laptop? do they really need to shove Copilot into Windows?

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[-] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago

Reducing ai but not removing it ain’t it

[-] Miller@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago

Microsoft adds the bloat themselves, and ever increasing telemetry reporting back, promises to update W10 for the lifetime of the device, reneges on it with W11 quoting security as its rationale but leaving 400 million users without security updates. Does all this at a time Linux is becoming very friendly and android phones have a desktop mode so they can be plugged into a keyboard and monitor and bypass the need for Windows. Microsoft has a bit of a think about the market value of its idiot direction and decides to remove a lot of the crap slowing the OS and give people back a little privacy, touts it as a new way of thinking about personal computing.

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 25 points 1 month ago

I'd say i'm cautiously optimistic but honestly i'm just not optimistic. They want to 'remove bloat, reel back AI, etc' and I'm just going to ask "how?"

how can they possibly improve their OS when the past year updates to 11 have been the worst in the companies history. the past few months alone have been an absolute cluster fuck and that's saying A LOT considering this the same company that gave us ME and Vista.

Before rebuilding the OS they need to take a seriously look internally and rebuild teams, management, etc because its' clear as day the company that they have currently cannot produce the potential OS they seem to want to produce.

[-] Miller@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

You mention Windows Me and Vista as low points but Windows 8 was such a donkey that your memory must have blocked it so you could go on with your life. And you just know this wonderful new streamlined and privacy conscious version is going to look suspiciously like Windows 7 which most users wanted to stick with anyway.

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 9 points 1 month ago

You mention Windows Me and Vista as low points but Windows 8 was such a donkey that your memory must have blocked it so you could go on with your life.

Good lord you're right. I had completely forgotten about 8. I know I had it, I must have had it but I don't actually remember using it. It's like a gap there between 7 and 10 that is just gone from my head.

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[-] goatinspace@feddit.org 42 points 1 month ago
[-] viov@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I really want to see more GNI/Linux and Tux GIF's/Images made to see out in the wild like this

If you made this you are a goat!

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[-] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 40 points 1 month ago

There you are, racking up multi kills, bonus points are pouring in. The map is yours and you are about to push the score back in favour of your team…

When all of a sudden

“DO YOU WANT TO TURN ON STICKY KEYS? PWEASE LOGIN TO ONEDRIVE TO ACTIVATE YOUR 365 COPILOT ACCOUNT SUBSCRIPTION. ACTIVATING BITLOCKER LOCKDOWN.”

[-] Australis13@fedia.io 32 points 1 month ago

I abandoned Windows for Linux rather than update to Windows 11. I will be interested to see what Microsoft does, but at this point I seriously doubt they're going to be able to give me a good enough reason to return to Windows as my primary OS. At this point I only need it for a few applications that don't have a Linux equivalent and don't run on Wine.

[-] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 10 points 1 month ago

Have you tried to Winboat the apps missing ?

I also switched earlier this year to cachyos. I'm definitely not going back. The simple fact that I need to boot the Windows old partition to update it makes me anxious.

I feel so much more in control of my operating system it feels really nice.

[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Seconding Winboat, works great for the one piece of software I have that is stuck on Windows. At this point I am 100% not going back, I even wiped my Windows disk. That drive is for trying out other distros now.

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[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

I know it's not possible for everyone, but I just cut ties with any application that wouldn't work on Linux and found alternatives.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For those that can't, it's worth it to go 99% Linux and set up a dual-boot. Also I made a video recently that details some security measures you can take on Windows to help you stay private if anyone's interested.

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[-] Mihies@programming.dev 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, MS lost a lot of trust with stupid things and getting that back - good luck with that. ~~I'm gone~~ I switched to Linux ~~since~~ a year (been on Windows since 3.0) or so ago and won't ever go back even though I still need to run Visual Studio in a virtual guest.

[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub 27 points 1 month ago

Microsoft right now

[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 25 points 1 month ago

Get rid of telemetry, ads, AI, and the MS account requirement for a start.

There’s nothing MS can do to make me trust them again. They can “love bomb” all they want, but a toxic ex is a toxic ex.

Publicly traded corporations will always exploit anything and anyone they can get away with to maximize their profits. They will only improve just enough to trap you again, then the exploitation begins again.

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[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Of course not.

Install Linux, Problem Solved.

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[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 weeks ago

I like how back in the day Gabe proposed to MS to invest into gaming on PC, got ignored, left company to chase this venture of his own. Which leads us to today as Gabe is about to drop a gaming-OS nuke on the market that will finally shaken (or hopefully shatter to pieces) MS's gaming OS monopoly.

Love to see MS giving out promises to users way before Steam Machine drops. They are clearly scared shitless.

[-] jobbies@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 weeks ago

They are clearly scared shitless.

Consumers aren't MS's market anymore. It would hurt if Windows lost market share but it wouldn't be devastating.

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[-] Butterphinger@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 month ago

They'll either never do it, or do it for a year or so then go back to being pieces of shit.

Also expect this:

"hey windows is better"

yeah? Is it this good?

"well, no, but..."

[-] unit327@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

This has been their MO for time immemorial. Make windows shit, right up to the line where people will leave. Only discover where the line actually is after they've stepped over it, then backpedal just enough to stem the exodus and keep people locked in. Repeat.

[-] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago

Why would anyone get their hopes up about a Microsoft product?

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[-] Drekaridill@lemmy.wtf 15 points 1 month ago

I don't even care what they do at this point, they've proved themselves to be so incompetent that I have no desire to go back to windows.

[-] SCmSTR 14 points 4 weeks ago

Strip out all tracking, anti-competitive anti consumerist features, remove all AI, make it secure and with all of the extra and fancy features opt-in.

Literally just make a decent, respectable operating system, and you will win. This is how you win at literally anything right now. Just make it durable and private and secure and not extremely expensive and make sure it WORKS, and people will suck your dick from across the planet.

NOBODY WANTS AI OR MICROTRANSACTIONS OR TO BE PUSHED AROUND OR CONNED, YET THAT'S ALL ANYBODY IS DOING - THE POSITION OF NOT A PIECE OF SHIT IS LITERALLY UP FOR GRABS, YOU JUST NEED TO REACH OUT AND TAKE IT.

[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 9 points 4 weeks ago

Even if they did all this, it's still Microslop, the next rugpull is just right around the corner. I'll never go back, i don't care how much better they make their spyware delivery system.

[-] jrs100000@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Hilarious. Nobody goes through the trouble of achieving multiple monopolies just to give people what they want.

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[-] SCmSTR 5 points 4 weeks ago

Also don't be fucking insane or evil? I feel like that doesn't need to be said, but it 100% does, apparently.

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[-] aliser@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

they just gonna shittify it later. who even trusts microslop atp

[-] hanrahan@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago

should just use the Linux kernel and pit their version of the desktop on top of that.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago

The only value windows has is that it runs software made by companies that are too lazy to add another build target

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If Microsoft wants to win users back, the only way to do that is by re-releasing Windows 7, and make a legal contract to never add spyware, monetization, adware, AI, service accounts to install/log in to the PC, or anything else to it.

Windows 7 was the peak of their capabilities. everything before that was building up to 7, everything after was a series of missteps and fuckups.

But thats never gonna happen.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

This sounds like a very good thing, right? They've got the message that we don't want Copilot, we don't want AI, we don't want our computers to require an Internet connection, and they're listening.

[-] lath@piefed.social 24 points 1 month ago

No, they're listening to market share change.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Please explain how that's different from what I said?

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[-] mereo@piefed.ca 7 points 1 month ago

I hope you were sarcastic... Because Microsoft's new business model is AI. So Windows will continue to be their portal toward AI.

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[-] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

You know what's funny? The fact that they could have done this ages ago.

[-] Tiral@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 weeks ago

But then we wouldn't have the amazing AI no one asked for or uses!

[-] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Recycle Bin is still fucking broken after literal YEARS of me complaining over the fact it doesn't delete files older than 30 days from it. I have files that date months back in time. How about you start at fucking that Microsoft, eh?

Also fuck off the Recommended section from Start menu. The greatest idiocy of all times, wasting same amount of Start menu real estate whether it's enabled or not. It just wastes same space telling me to tuen it on when it's disabled. What the fuck?

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 weeks ago

They already have a Linux distro, they could make that the default kernel and reach parity tomorrow.

[-] prole 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'll never voluntarily use a Windows PC ever again. Wayyy too late

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 weeks ago

My hopes are it crashes and burns. I have my hopes up.

[-] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 1 month ago

I nuked my hard drive when they kept shoving more invasive idiocy, more sloppy shite, and a confluence of cloud crap into it.

They're not going to win me back by integrating their overpriced subscription PS+ knock-off crap further into their joke of an OS.

[-] magnue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It's possible they're kind of admitting defeat with PC enthusiasts and will just settle for the average user and the business user. If they're smart they would make windows home free to use and then charge a fair lump for K2 (and make it extremely good - yknow - things software companies should be doing). That way it's a PR win and they can exploit both business models.

I strongly expect Microsoft to completely bottle it as usual though. They have some deep corporate rot imo.

[-] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah this won't win any Linux users back. At best, it will just slow the rate of users changing from Windows to Linux.

[-] Wooki@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

lol comical, the OS is not one feature deployment from being magically fixed. It's an easy decade away at the pace that Microsoft updates. Sorry but it will never happen. Windows computer OS is sunset like it's Phone OS Its not luxury, the rich buy Apple, its not secure and free, that's Linux, its not good for gaming, that's now Linux. Whats left? Business ? Thats eroding fast!

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