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[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 79 points 2 weeks ago

The meme captures the absolute frustration in Europe and the rest of the world for our spiralling costs. Costs arising directly from the elected President illegally attacking Iran, without discussing with anyone but Israel.

We're not arguing who has the greater car / truck dependency. But for those still wanting to pursue the point, don't forget that Europeans pay considerably more taxes for our public services and so more tax now too.

[-] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is true, but the risks of the oil economy have been known for a very long time. Everybody knows that the oil/auto fuel supply chain is in areas with fragile geopolitical relations and it's not like this hasn't happened before.

What we should be doing is channeling our frustration toward transitioning from ICE automobiles to EVs[1], but look at how slowly European carmakers are adapting. The rate of change in Germany has been embarrassingly slow and China is galaxies ahead of anyone else. We need to invest and compete, rather than throwing up our hands and blaming others for fucking up things we shouldn't be depending on anymore.

[1]: and improving public transit too of course

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[-] Drusas@fedia.io 45 points 2 weeks ago

Europeans don't have to drive to survive the way most Americans do.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 weeks ago

Depends. In cities no. In rural areas or small villages, often yes.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yes goods and supplies don’t have to come by truck. They can just public transport themselves to the supermarket.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

don't forget the postal delivery pony

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no, if it isn't the consequences of everyone's collective actions

[-] EggInDisguise 44 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, fuck that guy for not being born in a different place or having the socioeconomic standing to pack up their entire life and move to a better place. He deserves to be miserable for other people's collective actions!

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 12 points 2 weeks ago

Lack of empathy for people who inherited their forebearers mistakes is not a desirable character trait.

[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago

Try living in the alps, for just one instance.

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

A crass misunderstanding, but sure, if its what you think.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

There are more European countries than the Netherlands.

Well it's about time we fix that, isn't it?

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[-] Killer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

The distances the average american has drive is greater than that of the average european

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Sure. Doesn't mean that there aren't millions upon millions of Europeans who spend more than 1-2 hours per day in their cars.

[-] jobbies@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Of course, excuse me while I take the monorail into town to do the weekly shop.

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[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

How do you do, fellow non-Americans!? Colour me gobsmacked at the euros I'm paying when I procure my petrol (by the liter! this is non-negotiable) to fill my tiny aluminium moped.

[-] jobbies@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago

Have at it bro, you guys elected a diaper-wearing moron for the SECOND TIME because of the price of eggs 😅

[-] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Shaming someone for wearing diapers, which is in and of itself completely harmless, and not for the fact that their government is sending minorities into concentration camps and burning the planet down hurts people who wear diapers that survive like you and me much more than it hurts the addressee.

[-] Flower@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

You have to say quart instead of liter or they don't get it. It's close enough.

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I have to drive 32 miles (~51 km) one way to my job and there is no public transit anywhere around here.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Should try to convince people that it's less expensive to drive in Yarp because they buy liters of petrol instead of gallons of gas.

[-] folekaule@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I've suggested this for ages to sell people on metric. Gas sounds cheaper per liter (smaller number), you weigh less in kg, etc. I don't know why gas stations aren't all over this with their shady marketing and 9/10 of a cent pricing.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Indeed, fuel in Japan is higher than in Europe. In the USA, fuel should take a backseat and the cost of healthcare should be the main topic for change.

[-] protist@retrofed.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

Americans drive more so pay more, even when prices are higher in Europe

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[-] Limonene@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

No idea about this. I drive a Honda Civic in the US, and hardly notice gas prices. I'm much more concerned about food prices, rent prices, and unemployment rate.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Actual weekly gas spending as a household budget item is probably higher in the US on average.

[-] vathecka@lemmy.radio 9 points 2 weeks ago

Ill complain about whatever I want, fuck you

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[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Me with my tiny range electric car finally being smug about something.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

It's bad for us both and arguing about who has it worse is childish and stupid

[-] uriel238 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

To paraphrase Bill Nye, eye protection on; if you raise the cost of fossil fuels, fewer people will use them; eye protection off.

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't generally complain to Europeans about anything at all.

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