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[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The problem is the following:

They are primarily classist in the more general sense. They believe that some class of people are above another class of people. E.g. rich above the poor, one race above the other, ...

They are both socio-economic classist and racist.

Because they are both, their racism is trying to use their socio-economic classist ideas to justify their racism. E.g.: they might receive help from social programs but in their mind, they aren't the lower class because the actual lower class of illegal aliens are stealing the jobs and resources that would allow them to take their rightful spot in a higher class. That is why they are concerned about e.g. taxing the rich.

But both because reality is not their fantasy and because they believe that the system is somewhat merit based, they have to explain why these hardworking alliens are not climbing the socio-economic labber... so aliens have to be lazy!

Consequently aliens are stealing the jobs, so the classist falls undeservingly to a lower class BUT they are also lazy to explain the lack of socio-economic growth for those aliens.

Then those classist morons will get together to organise themselves. Obviously one of the leading notion is the lack of class for the members of the movement, as that is how they understand the world. And obviously the people within the movement with a higher socio-economic class have the opportunity to take advantage of their higher class and get power in the movement. If they are a little smart, they will point at the "lowest" class and blame them.

Then we get movements like maga or the afd. Both state openly that they want to harm the lower classes (as they are supposedly lazy/criminal/evil). Obviously the classist, who obviously want to be a higher class, are fundamentally competitive to each other which destablize the movement. Alliances are built on utility. Once the higher class member are in the highest position, loyalty to others doesn't provide added value but loyalty to the leader provides perceived value to the followers. Consequently the movement tries to help the higher classes instead of the lower classes that originally joined to get support to escape the unfair system that prevented them to reach a higher class.

Ofc the higher ones in the movement are classists as well and look at the lower class members as little more valuable than the alliens and consequently they have no real interest in removing the aliens as they are cheaper labor which helps the elite.

And that is why fundamentally racism movements tend to fail to actually do the racism in the way that the racist wants. And instead are primarily performative. And the movement is primarily classist and not racist, the poor racist are no different to the lower races for a rich racist. So the poor racist get fucked over too.

And these racist idiots fall for the same scam again and again and again. They just don't understand that the fundamental ideals of their moment causes them to be fucked over unless they are at the top. Metaphorically speaking, Racists join a MLM and believe they will be rich 1 day.

Edit: I forgot to mention that these movements tend to be tribal and create additional classes like "rino" (Republican in name only), which pushes the movement away from their racist roots towards a more vague classist notion.

AND I HAVE TO STRESS THEY ARE STILL RACIST AND THEY STILL HARM THOSE "RACES". but not in the way, the majority of racist want them to.

[-] Draegur@lemmy.zip 12 points 22 hours ago

"YES EXACTLY! THOSE CRAFTY TREACHEROUS LIBERALS ARE TOO STUPID TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR OWN GRIFT!"

--probably literally what they think

[-] Rivermoonwolf@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago

It's like asking conservatives if illegals are lazy, why is ICE raiding job sites? Logic ain't their strong suit.

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Magats are experts at cognitive dissonance. They can quite happily hold the belief that "illegals" are lazy and live off government handouts while also holding the belief that they are stealing their jobs.

[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 4 points 20 hours ago

Migrant workers, or what Magats would call "illegals" are sponsored by US employers and come in on a special visa type such as H-1A or H-2B. We will all remember the Magat leaders backpeddling on those visas and calling them necessary right ... Right?

So if migrants (supposed illegals) are stealing jobs ... then MAGA is supporting it. Cognitive dissonance? No ... these people are just stupid.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 23 hours ago

Plus they aren't reporting raids in red states because it will dispell the illusion that illegals only occur in blue states, and red States have significantly more "raids apparently"

[-] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 106 points 1 day ago

there is some similarity to famous schrodinger immigrant. too lazy to work and taking your job at the same time.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

Duur they look different than us so they must be the problem. If we get rid of them all our jobs will come back, we will get medical coverage again, and the government won't be in debt.

[-] homes@piefed.world 13 points 1 day ago

and somehow, Trump deported fewer immigrants last year than Biden did in 2024, and Trump still had to cut SNAP and Medicare/Medicaid just to end up in far more debt!

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 3 points 1 day ago

Also theyjust rape all day while being lazy abd stealing your job.

There are a lot of latino cops, so its not entirely wrong.

[-] vzqq 39 points 1 day ago
[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago

They do? I genuinly tought they are that stupid

[-] vzqq 31 points 1 day ago

Words are just a way to get what they want. Truth has no intrinsic value to them. In fact, they enjoy telling obvious falsehoods and getting array with it. It’s a power play. A domination thing.

They are deeply flawed people.

[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Depends on who we're referring to. Their politicians aren't all stupid. They talk to their base that way because they believe their base is stupid.

Edit:Spelling. I should be more careful about that when commenting critically.

[-] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

The TV personalities do. The rabid audience doesn't.

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 14 points 1 day ago

The audience doesn't care they're being lied to. If you show proof it's a lie, they immediately jump to the next talking point which is usually also a lie.

[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

That's a flat out lie!! 😡 You demoncrats eat BABIES 😭

[-] foodandart@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 day ago

Let's see how Mexico's rollout of universal healthcare works (hoping it does go well for them!) then watch that entire argument fall to pieces once MAGAS realize they're still losing their homes to medical debt, or going without any affordable drugs or doctors access..

[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 day ago

Imagine if mexico built a wall to keep americans out

[-] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago

and make americans pay for it!

[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago

Yeah, one of the electricians that was working on my house got a little chummy with me one day several years back and said something about how if he was smart he'd go to Mexico and then cross back into the USA illegally so he could get the free debit card with thousands of dollars in the account that we give to everybody coming into the country at the border.

I said something along the lines of, "You'll have to enlighten me, what the fuck are you even talking about."

This man insisted that Biden was giving every single illegal immigrant that crosses the border a debit card worth thousands of dollars.

I said, "And do you honestly believe that?"

His response? "Yes." Because most of the guys he works with are "Mexicans" and they told him it was true.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

please forgive an endless stream of consciousness runon sentence. it's kind of how it happened. i mean i was in dallas visiting my father in law. we were going to the jfk museum because we're all history geeks and it's a great museum. so we take this uber and the far right driver goes on a rant about all those out of state protestors being paid to come in and cause trouble and blah blah soros bux blah blah i really wasn't paying that much attention because i got that look in my eye and my wife started silently trying to get me to stop but she was trying to be subtle rather than sign and i started trying to get me to stop and i was trying to carry a conversation and then my mouth popped off "oh yeah that's why we're here" oh fuck i hope he has a sense of humor oh shit he doesn't.

so yeah the museum was fun. the ride there was entertaining at least. remember Coast to Coast AM? same kind of entertaining.

[-] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Do your streams of consciousness normally come without punctuation?

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

My second language/dialect is hard to describe without getting extremely academic, but if you know American Sign Language terminology it's basically all classifiers and no signs. There are by definition no words in that language/dialect, so the fact that when I go stream of consciousness you get any of them at all is a kindness.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

So... Did any of them have this card? Of course not. Because they're here legally of course, and can't tell who else might have one.

[-] Yaky@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago

I think there might be another source of this stupid notion. Universities host free clinics where current students can practice their specialties on volunteer patients, who usually are from underserved communities and/or undocumented, who cannot get medical attention any other way. So of course, this is the "free healthcare for illegals", dramatically exagerrated... Ignoring the fact that it is provided by less-experienced students, at very low capacity, and is technically available to anyone.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I think the strawman argument is that they go to the ER, which typically cannot deny care due to lack of insurance. That in turn makes it "free" for them.

[-] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

The gotcha here is that all they will do is make sure you're not actively dying. If you're well enough to make survive till the next weekday you're getting a referral and told to GTFO of the ER.

[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Conservatives believe whatever they are told to believe.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If they did believe that, they would do what the meme says.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

They're taught not to question. It's one of the primary reasons the conservatives started targeting religious groups decades ago. They're brainwashed from birth to do what they're told, not to think about it, but just have faith that a book written by man somehow is superior to anything else man has done because someone at some point said it came from a mystical being that no one can talk to directly and only responds indirectly.

[-] hayvan@piefed.world 7 points 1 day ago

But the hospitals know exactly who the undocumented ones are, and provide free service to them only. /s

that would involve them being able to think about what they are told

[-] Manjushri@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

Key phrase: "none of them have thought"

This is standard for American conservatives and makes the whole hypothesis believable. They don't think, they just go along with what conservative media tells them.

[-] areakode@riskeratspizza.com 8 points 1 day ago

Imigrants are bad. Claiming to be an immigrant makes me bad. Therefore I should pay my share and blame immigration for me having to pay. And that's just math...

[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

Them illeguls are stealing our jerbs!!!!

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Are You telling me, free healthcare is the norm everywhere else?

[-] 13igTyme@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

I worked for a hospital that would give free dialysis to immigrants for charity tax purposes.

this post was submitted on 18 Apr 2026
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