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[-] doofer_name@feddit.de 95 points 2 years ago

I hate point 2 and 3.

I have an avarage travel of 45-55 minutes from my home city to the city I work in. By car and by train, while the train is usually on the slower end. It takes about 20-30 minutes to get from my home to the train station by taking the bus or riding the bike. When taking the bus I also have to factor in about 15 minutes between arrival at the station and departure of the train. Then there is another 20 minutes from the train station at destination to my place of work. So it takes me 40-65 minutes longer taking the train
 twice a day, making it 1:20-2:10h a day (when Im lucky bc trains over here have frequent delays). One hour ish doesn’t sound like much? Well you’ll feel it if you working 11-12h a shift or a 9-10 hour a day in a normal 9 to 5 job (starting work at around 7 a.m.).

Then there is a neat little think called night or late shifts. There is no way I’m gonna take the train here. They either take an hour longer or the bus at my home city does not drive anymore on the way back.

Demand better public transportation. Demand functioning trains and frequent bus and tram connections. But do not tell people that need to take the car for whatever reason, that they should just take the worse option and make them feel like the problem.

I hate cars. I hate driving. And I love taking the train or taking the bike within my city. But sometimes I just have to take the car. That is not my fault tho, since public transportation is not the main focus of politics over here. And thats what needs to change globally.

[-] zerofk@lemm.ee 41 points 2 years ago

When I switched from using the bus to going by bike, i cut my commute time by more than half. If I were to take the car, it would halve again. Public transport is great, and necessary. But it will never be faster than a personal car for anything but large distances.

[-] Flumsy@feddit.de 50 points 2 years ago

... where you live. Where I live (in central Europe) we have a subway every 2-3 minutes and you're at worst 2 blocks away from a stop. It all depends on the infrastructure. A subway cant be stuck in traffic...

[-] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 20 points 2 years ago

Yep. Here in Berlin traveling to my old office (when I didn't work from home all the time) with the S or U-bahn took 30-35 minutes and by car/taxi about 40-45 minutes due to the traffic.

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[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Nearly every city on the planet with a subway system disputes your bullshit.

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[-] Stuka@lemmy.ml 73 points 2 years ago

This memes community should be named 'Wannabe Activitists"

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[-] histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 2 years ago

I'd love to see someone bring a shopping cart amount of groceries on a bus or train

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 92 points 2 years ago

You don't. If you live where cars are not needed, e.g. Tokyo, you'll just walk to your nearest small grocer and get the ingredients you need. That's what I did when I stayed in Japan for work.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 25 points 2 years ago

How do disabled people who can't walk far get their groceries then? đŸ€”

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 years ago

How do disabled people who can't drive get their groceries?

About 2 seconds of critical thinking leads you to this magical solution called "someone helps them" in both cases.

[-] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

I'm not like super pro car or anything but your argument in my experience doesn't really hold up. I work at a farm and we have a lot of elderly folks come in and shop by themselves. They drive themselves and shop themselves but I doubt they could do that with a walker and if they didn't have a car I doubt they'd be finding a different way to come out here.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

Rural life is a whole different beast from urban. I won't ever make the argument that rural living people shouldn't have cars. So yeah, plus one for that argument.

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[-] theDeck@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago

Delivery services, probably

[-] Navy@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 years ago

Or, if we're changing cities already we could make more accessible homes and public transit. If someone in a wheelchair can't get onto a train you've made the train wrong.

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[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 22 points 2 years ago

And that really worries me. The government should offer free options for people like that. Uber Eats and Instacart exploits the hell out of people like that.

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[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

The reason you haul entire shopping carts at once is because the trip to the grocery store is a big planned deal. That’s also the reason people buy bulk items and then let half of them expire.

The “ideal” for bikers and train riders would be easier, quicker trips to small stores to get ingredients for the next few days. I find I’m able to fit most of my needs into one pannier.

[-] BareMetalSkirt@lemmy.kya.moe 24 points 2 years ago

This changes sharply if you're buying for more people than just yourself.

The reason I haul entire shopping carts at once is because I don't want to waste time shopping every day. A big 2-hour haul per month vs. 1-2 20-minute trips to the local corner konbini every day. Plus some of the bigger bulk stores deliver (this is Hinode, Tokyo; rural ones probably don't).

Buying in bulk is far less expensive: you pay less (duh), but you spend a lot less time on it too. If I'm buying groceries just-in-time and the nearest shop doesn't have the ingredient I need that day, I have to go to a different shop for that one item. Lots of time wasted, and a lot of stress on top. You can't change your mind later either, because you've already bought ingredients for that one meal. So I prefer to have things buffered in stock, and resupply in advance. You also use far less plastic packaging that way, e.g. buying a 25-liter premix syrup canister instead of hundreds of coke bottles.

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[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago

This is one of my favourite meme format for some reason.

[-] workerONE@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Stop driving cars because places were not supposed to be driven to." Wow that's a good point /s

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 26 points 2 years ago

Lol yeah, who would want their own personal vehicle they can use to go where they want and on what route they want without having to share with total strangers who can and will hurt you when you can ride the filthy, bedbug-ridden, urine-soaked train next to the crazy homeless guy jacking off right in front of you?

[-] Rayspekt@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago

Great meme and even better because its true.

Imagine getting driven everywhere and still choosing doing it on your own. These people need Steam Decks, I tell you.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Am from Germany and went to Nuremburg to visit a convention.
The public transit is night and day between those two places.
Only had to wait about <10min for the next bus.
I believe the accomodation is not very outside or inside of the transit serving area but it is surprising what a subway and a good schedule can do for one.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

If only public transport was actually a usable replacement for using a car. Hint: It isn't.

In the next town, the mayoress claims to like bikes, and "reforms" the city. So far all she managed were some cheap fixes like painting bike paths on roads and making some key connections useless for non-bike traffic. Which led to - more car-traffic, as now many cars have to drive nearly once around the city to reach their destination. What it didn't lead to - a significant move to use of bikes and public transport, as the bike paths are not really safe and mostly patchwork, anyway, and public transport is too expensive and basically useless to anyone from outside the city.

I'm not against a bike-friendly city. But you can have good implementations and seriously bad ones.

And asking people to "stop driving cars" is a very narrow-minded and stupid idea from the start. There are a lot of reasons to drive a car. I mean, do you expect that they stock the supermarkets with cargo bikes? Do you want to force old people who cannot use the tram as it has high and steep stairs for entries to, what, walk into the city? Do you think the plumber or electrician will come to fix your flat with all the tools on a bike?

This "stop driving cars" is an idea cooked up by young and able people who live in the city and usually don't leave it. Who maybe use a bike to ride to the next shop two roads over, or to university. And who actually can go on even longer rides occasionally, if they must. They have nothing better to do. Those who bear not much responsibility and drive, well, like bikers in a city, feeling overconfident and ignorant of the risk of dangerous driving behavior.

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[-] SternburgExport@feddit.de 19 points 2 years ago

I love cars and I love driving but commuting by car just sucks in every possible way.

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[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

PLACES WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DRIVEN TO

Says who? Is there some natural law when the universe was created that said mankind are not allowed to drive?

YEARS OF BUILDING CAR INFRASTRUCTURE yet NO DECREASE IN OVERALL TRAVEL TIME

Ok you go and set off on foot on a 200km journey, and a car sets off at the same time to get to the same place, who will get there first?

Want to go somewhere fast? We have a vehicle for that; It's called a "TRAIN"

Trains are great at moving people / goods between urban areas, but are awful (obviously) for point-to-point journeys. Want to the doctors fast? Can't exactly get on the the train directly outside your house to the front door of the doctors. I like trains, I use them where I can and always use them whenever I go into the office, but you cannot seriously suggest using trains to totally replace cars, it's so ridiculous that I'd swear you've never even seen one.

"i am DRIVING my...."

Not sure what's deranged about it? In fact that case is very valid as you're likely to have a lot of shopping (two weeks worth) that you'd really struggle to carry on public transport. It might have a bit more authenticity if you said it was just to get some bread and milk.


I get the sentiment, we should totally be trying to reduce our car usage and planning our urban environments to favour walking, cycling and public transport, but the fuckcars community on here are totally deranged. Your arguments look ridiculous and aren't going to convince anyone.

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

This isn’t a meme. It’s just stupid anti-car delusion.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[-] Eq0@literature.cafe 19 points 2 years ago

“Successful record attempts have employed a variety of tactics for evading traffic law enforcement.”

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